2010 NFL Training Camp and Preseason Thread

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Hessen

Same thing for years... I figure Bret just hates preseason and training camp two-a-days.

I gotta admit, I would do the exact same thing. Heck, I did that palying junior and it wasn't even two-a-days. Football practices suck.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well this should be interesting, if he plays anywhere like he did last year the Vikings have a very strong team. In my mind Farve pushes them from Wild Card contender to Conference contender.

For the past decade I look at it the same way every year I look at a team quarterbacked by Brett Farve. There will be lots of controversy, moments of brilliance, some spectacular wins, but as always the season will end in a bad way. This year is no different.

[ipuckedyourmom]

Favre should just admit he hates training camp. No real surprise that he's coming back though.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

For the past decade I look at it the same way every year I look at a team quarterbacked by Brett Farve. There will be lots of controversy, moments of brilliance, some spectacular wins, but as always the season will end in a bad way. This year is no different.

So 3 NFC championship games and two SB's are bad ways to end years?

Wow.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So 3 NFC championship games and two SB's are bad ways to end years?

Wow.

I think Erick may have been referring to Favre serving up key interceptions during playoff games over the past decade:

2010 NFC Championship v. Saints - "I probably should have ran it."

2008 NFC Championship v. Giants - OT inception which led to the Giants kicking the game winning field goal... at Lambeau.

2004 NFC Divisional Playoff Game v. Eagles - Brian Dawkins picks Favre off in a tied game to set up Akers winning field goal.

2002 NFC Divisional Playoff Game v. STL Rams - 6 INTs by Favre and 3 returned for TDs.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So 3 NFC championship games and two SB's are bad ways to end years?

Wow.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

For the past decade I look at it the same way every year I look at a team quarterbacked by Brett Farve. There will be lots of controversy, moments of brilliance, some spectacular wins, but as always the season will end in a bad way. This year is no different.

Did my post fly over your head a bit or do you not realize that all of those SB's were in the 90's? Remember how last season ended? Or how about a few years back in the playoffs against the Giants. Or how about that beauty 6 Int. playoff loss to the Rams. He even lost a playoff game to a Michael Vick QB'd team at home. You can't deny he's failed spectacularly in big games since the 90's ended.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Did my post fly over your head a bit or do you not realize that all of those SB's were in the 90's? Remember how last season ended? Or how about a few years back in the playoffs against the Giants. Or how about that beauty 6 Int. playoff loss to the Rams. He even lost a playoff game to a Michael Vick QB'd team at home. You can't deny he's failed spectacularly in big games since the 90's ended.

yeah i remember exactly how 2 of the last 3 NFC championship games ended.

With Brett Favre as a QB on a team that was actually in them.

Yup...epic and utter fail.

LOL.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

yeah i remember exactly how 2 of the last 3 NFC championship games ended.

With Brett Favre as a QB on a team that was actually in them.

Yup...epic and utter fail.

LOL.

I don't think anyone said "epic and utter fail" but Erick was simply pointing out, and rightfully so, that in the past decade, Favre has taken his team far, but ultimately costs his team the game with a (or several) untimely INTs.

Now, would those teams have gotten that far without Favre? Likely not. But at the end of the day, Favre's track record for big game success has been tarnished to those that actually look past the media's love affair with his "gunslinger" approach to the game and regular season heroics.

No doubt Minnesota is in a better position with Favre than without him, but it's been 3 years straight that Favre has played like a dog to end the season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

yeah i remember exactly how 2 of the last 3 NFC championship games ended.

With Brett Favre as a QB on a team that was actually in them.

Yup...epic and utter fail.

LOL.

Oh transplant when will you ever man up when you are clearly being wrong. Please carefully read over my initial post, take away any dislike for me and try to be open minded for once.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

For the past decade I look at it the same way every year I look at a team quarterbacked by Brett Farve. There will be lots of controversy, moments of brilliance, some spectacular wins, but as always the season will end in a bad way. This year is no different.

As Clever_Iggy just pointed out everything I said was correct on Favre. I never said he was a bad QB or that his career was a failure. The guys a HOF player and one of the best ever to play. All I said is that in the past decade the old gunslinger has a knack for failing in epic fashion in his last game and not even necessarily in the playoffs like his last game as a Jett.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

I don't think anyone said "epic and utter fail" but Erick was simply pointing out, and rightfully so, that in the past decade, Favre has taken his team far, but ultimately costs his team the game with a (or several) untimely INTs.

Now, would those teams have gotten that far without Favre? Likely not. But at the end of the day, Favre's track record for big game success has been tarnished to those that actually look past the media's love affair with his "gunslinger" approach to the game and regular season heroics.

No doubt Minnesota is in a better position with Favre than without him, but it's been 3 years straight that Favre has played like a dog to end the season.

really?

You can't deny he's failed spectacularly in big games since the 90's ended

I guess if you want to pin the blame on him for a late INT last year or 3 years ago...knock yourself out. Last year for instance, I would focus more on the 6 fumbles of which 3 were lost as a bigger factor in the loss.

Against the Giants I remember a GB team that ran for less than 30 yards...in an OT game in frigid weather where it was very difficult to throw at all...though I will readily admit his last throw that game was poor and Eli was a better QB that day.


I still do not understand how making the NFC championship game can ever be considered "failing spectacularly"...win or lose when there were 14 other QB's sitting at home watching that game on TV, all who would of given up a testicle to be there playing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I still do not understand how making the NFC championship game can ever be considered "failing spectacularly"...win or lose when there were 14 other QB's sitting at home watching that game on TV, all who would of given up a testicle to be there playing.

I assume you have heard the local Minnesota radio broadcast clip of the NFC championship that Jim Rome plays over and over on his show. It's spectacular in how everything is pointing to a Vikings victory and trip to the Superbowl. You can hear the excitement in voices of the pbp and color man, then bang, it's over and you hear the anger and dispare in the voices of the color man. It's epic and a classic sports moment.

It's classic Brett 'Gunslinger' Favre the way it ended with him throwing the ill-advised pass across his body for an int when he could have thrown the ball away with the Vikings in field goal position. Despite all the fumbles the Vikings were still in position to win the game and go to the Superbowl but the old gunslinger wanted the glory of winning the game in his hands and not a kicker.

Go back to the 2008 NFC championship and it's the same type of ending. Favre in OT throws a terrible high risk pass which is picked off by the Giants which turned into the game winning field goal. Again another playoff season that ended off his arm.

His 9 interceptions in the last five games of the 2008 regular season turned an 8-3 Jets team into playoff spectators.

That's the thing about the old gunslinger. It's live by the sword & die by the sword and nothing in between. Nobody is disputing that he can take a good team into the playoffs because that's what he's done most of his career it's that in tight playoff games agains the best opposition in the league his loose cannon approach usually ends up in his team on the losing side of the big games.

[Jesse834]

LeGarette Blount popped a teammate in the face-mask during Wednesday night practice he said the D pushed him too far. He later apologizes to Jeff Fisher punching teammate.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

I don't think anyone said "epic and utter fail" but Erick was simply pointing out, and rightfully so, that in the past decade, Favre has taken his team far, but ultimately costs his team the game with a (or several) untimely INTs.

Now, would those teams have gotten that far without Favre? Likely not. But at the end of the day, Favre's track record for big game success has been tarnished to those that actually look past the media's love affair with his "gunslinger" approach to the game and regular season heroics.

No doubt Minnesota is in a better position with Favre than without him, but it's been 3 years straight that Favre has played like a dog to end the season.

I'd argue it was Childress' conservative play calling at the end of the Saints game last year that cost them the game. IIRC, 1st and 10 inside the 35 and he figured he was within Longwell's range. So he run on first and second down, even though the Saints were stacked against it. A couple of loss plays ensued and Favre was forced to make a huge 3rd and long throw to get them back within range.

The way that drive was going...it was Childress that should take the brunt of the blame IMO. It shouldn't have come down to a heroic play by Favre to win them the game, because it was theirs for the taking.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Jesse834

LeGarette Blount popped a teammate in the face-mask during Wednesday night practice he said the D pushed him too far. He later apologizes to Jeff Fisher punching teammate.

In other news in every other single training camp there was a fight yesterday.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I'd argue it was Childress' conservative play calling at the end of the Saints game last year that cost them the game. IIRC, 1st and 10 inside the 35 and he figured he was within Longwell's range. So he run on first and second down, even though the Saints were stacked against it. A couple of loss plays ensued and Favre was forced to make a huge 3rd and long throw to get them back within range.

The way that drive was going...it was Childress that should take the brunt of the blame IMO. It shouldn't have come down to a heroic play by Favre to win them the game, because it was theirs for the taking.

I'm not a Childress fan by any means but I'm willing to bet that the majority of NFL head coaches would have ran on 1st & 2nd down in that situation especially with Adrian Peterson in the backfield. In retrospect they would have been better off running 3rd down as well as even if there is no gain they still get an opportunity to win the game.

I don't think Childress told Farve that a heroic play was needed on 3rd down in fact the play was probably a conservative short pass just to pick up a handful of yards. Favre's initial read was covered, the play broke down and out of the pocket he should have just thrown the ball away. Instead he made a pass that they teach QB's never to attempt in football 101. Blaming Childress is ridiculous.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not a Childress fan by any means but I'm willing to bet that the majority of NFL head coaches would have ran on 1st & 2nd down in that situation especially with Adrian Peterson in the backfield. In retrospect they would have been better off running 3rd down as well as even if there is no gain they still get an opportunity to win the game.

I don't think Childress told Farve that a heroic play was needed on 3rd down in fact the play was probably a conservative short pass just to pick up a handful of yards. Favre's initial read was covered, the play broke down and out of the pocket he should have just thrown the ball away. Instead he made a pass that they teach QB's never to attempt in football 101. Blaming Childress is ridiculous.

Well that's the problem right there, Favre's not a QB. He's a Gunslinger.

Also, in case you were unaware, he really loves the game. He looks like a kid out there. He's having so much fun.

/Jon Gruden

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not a Childress fan by any means but I'm willing to bet that the majority of NFL head coaches would have ran on 1st & 2nd down in that situation especially with Adrian Peterson in the backfield. In retrospect they would have been better off running 3rd down as well as even if there is no gain they still get an opportunity to win the game.

I don't think Childress told Farve that a heroic play was needed on 3rd down in fact the play was probably a conservative short pass just to pick up a handful of yards. Favre's initial read was covered, the play broke down and out of the pocket he should have just thrown the ball away. Instead he made a pass that they teach QB's never to attempt in football 101. Blaming Childress is ridiculous.

And I understand that mentality. But just going off the drive, and what happened on first down, they needed to take a shot at getting inside the 30. And that range of a kick is probably 60-65% good most of the time...i'd be wanting to increase my odds especially with how they were moving the ball.

Where did I say he told Favre to make a heroic play? Overtime is hit or miss in the NFL, and they were literally 8 yards away from being within range to win the game no doubt....and Favre knew that. Of course he is a gunslinger, but Childress knew that as well.

Taking the ball out of his hands when he had lead a flawless drive was the key mistake IMO.

[Pagal4321]

Brad Childress may be the worst head coach in the entire NFL. His ability to call plays is equally as comical as his press conferences.

He bet his entire coaching job on Brett Favre last year, and that gamble paid off. I really hope win or lose that this team finds a new head coach that doesn't see Tarvaris Jackson as the second coming of Donovan McNabb.

My thoughts on Brad Childress are no secret to anyone who's followed the NFL threads the past few years. And even a highly successful season last year doesn't change my mind about how useless he really is.

[Pagal4321]

Vikings wide receiver Percy Harvin collapsed at the team’s Winter Park facility Thursday while watching practice and was loaded into an ambulance.

Scary times, brings back unwanted memories of the whole Korey Stringer incident.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vi...D3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Scary times, brings back unwanted memories of the whole Korey Stringer incident.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vi...D3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

I unexpectedly had the day off today so I was watching this on ESPN Sportscenter. Scary stuff and hopefully Percy can recover soon.