Democratic Presidential Primaries 2008

[HotHotHeat]

That bridge to nowhere is a great example too. Unbelievable how things like that get through. Even the people of Alaska wanted to give the money back.

[Nehkara]

Delegate update!

Total Delegates:

Clinton 1438
Obama 1553 (115 ahead)


Pledged Delegates:

Clinton 1200
Obama 1347(147 ahead)


Superdelegates:

Clinton 238 (32 ahead)
Obama 206


Obama gains 26 pledged delegates, 7 superdelegates.
Clinton gains 14 pledged delegates, 0 superdelegates.

Obama's lead is now greater than at any other time in the campaign.

I also set up the OP for the Mississippi primary this evening.

[SarichFan]

That's awesome to hear. As mentioned in another thread. I'm moving south and have never voted in my life.. but this vote is so important to the world's future that I have to go out there and vote.

For Mr. Obama

[Lanny_MacDonald]

^^^^ You're a US citizen?

[HotHotHeat]

Update:

Obama: 1591 (206 SD)
Clinton: 1467 (236 SD)

Total delegate lead for Obama now at 124.

Total super-delegates in the primaries this year is 796.

In the past 3 weeks Clinton has lost 2 super delegates, Obama has gained 30+

This is starting to look more and more like Obamas. Even with Clintons big win last week, she's not keeping pace. A lot of super delegates have said they are going to side with the majority when picking their side, and right now that is cleary Obama.

A CNN 'poll of polls', which averages out all the major polls done by various outlets has Obama at 50% for the likely democratic nomination, Hillary at 40%. 10% undecided.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Update:

Obama: 1591 (206 SD)
Clinton: 1467 (236 SD)

Total delegate lead for Obama now at 124.

Total super-delegates in the primaries this year is 796.

In the past 3 weeks Clinton has lost 2 super delegates, Obama has gained 30+

This is starting to look more and more like Obamas. Even with Clintons big win last week, she's not keeping pace. A lot of super delegates have said they are going to side with the majority when picking their side, and right now that is cleary Obama.

A CNN 'poll of polls', which averages out all the major polls done by various outlets has Obama at 50% for the likely democratic nomination, Hillary at 40%. 10% undecided.

The democratic party has made it clear that superdelegates are not to decide this election.

It is looking like Obama has a pretty comanding lead, but I wouldn't call this one just yet. If things remain close, I think it is likely we will see a re-election in Maine and Florida. This are both decent sized states, and denying them delegates essentially disenfranchises 30 million Americans. It's likely that Florida may have switched allegiances since the non-counting election, but, based on other new england results, I doubt Maine has.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by blankall

The democratic party has made it clear that superdelegates are not to decide this election.

It is looking like Obama has a pretty comanding lead, but I wouldn't call this one just yet. If things remain close, I think it is likely we will see a re-election in Maine and Florida. This are both decent sized states, and denying them delegates essentially disenfranchises 30 million Americans. It's likely that Florida may have switched allegiances since the non-counting election, but, based on other new england results, I doubt Maine has.

You mean Michigan.

[Nehkara]

CNN projects that Obama will win Mississippi primary.

[Johnny 99]

[quote=blankall;1227935]The democratic party has made it clear that superdelegates are not to decide this election. quote]

What are you talking about? The DNC has no input into how the superdelegates vote. Who specifically has said anything in that regard? Everyone I've heard including Howard Dean, the chair of the DNC, has said categorically that they believe that superdelegates WILL decide who the nominee is.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

Actually, I think Lincoln held a pretty good portion of the south in '64.

Well, *I* laughed and thought it was clever.

[Nehkara]

With 76% of the polls reporting, Obama leads by 18 points in Mississippi. If my evaluation of the situation is correct, you should see his lead grow a bit more before the end of the evening. Big win for Obama.

CNN said Clinton needed to come within 10 points to claim any sort of "moral victory" from Mississippi, looks like she will miss that by a wide margin.

[Nehkara]

Delegate update!

Total Delegates:

Clinton 1478
Obama 1608 (130 ahead)


Pledged Delegates:

Clinton 1240
Obama 1402(162 ahead)


Superdelegates:

Clinton 238 (32 ahead)
Obama 206

[SarichFan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

^^^^ You're a US citizen?

Yessir.

[Nehkara]

Obama wins by 22 points in Mississippi.

[HotHotHeat]

Huge win.

Interesting speech from Obama tonight on CNN. He says that he's maintained a positive beat on what he thinks of Clinton, and suggested he hasn't gotten the same in return.

So much of this is about Hope vs. Fear.

[Nehkara]

Wow... at the very end Obama's win in Mississippi has stretched to 24 points.

[Itse]

It's time Clinton packed it in, as it's starting to get increasingly obvious she's not going to win this election. Unfortunately for the Democrats, she won't.

The only thing her continued candidacy will achieve is some more smear on her own partys future presidential candidate, millions of dollars of Democrat supporter money wasted and a continued state of hostilities in a time when the Dems should really start pulling together to make sure the presidency doesn't slip away this time.

It will also mean legal battles over the results of the Florida and Michigan votes, which is just the stupidest thing the Democrats could get into now. Even if Clinton would win, the only thing achieved would simply be that they'd manage to piss off a huge number of Obama supporters, many of whom are exactly the kind of young enthusiasts that should be the future of the party. Get those people to stay, and the Democrats could manage to significantly increase their base for future elections.

But Clinton won't pack it in, the Democrats will start dragging themselves through the deep legal muds of Florida, truly making Clinton the Democrats answer to G.W. Bush. More money will be wasted, the supporters of both candidates will start to grow tired as the race drags on and on...

The Democratic party leaders should really put pressure on Clinton to stop. It's starting to look like the democrats could actually find a way to lose this one.

[Johnny 99]

Originally Posted by Itse

It's time Clinton packed it in, as it's starting to get increasingly obvious she's not going to win this election. Unfortunately for the Democrats, she won't.

The only thing her continued candidacy will achieve is some more smear on her own partys future presidential candidate, millions of dollars of Democrat supporter money wasted and a continued state of hostilities in a time when the Dems should really start pulling together to make sure the presidency doesn't slip away this time.

It will also mean legal battles over the results of the Florida and Michigan votes, which is just the stupidest thing the Democrats could get into now. Even if Clinton would win, the only thing achieved would simply be that they'd manage to piss off a huge number of Obama supporters, many of whom are exactly the kind of young enthusiasts that should be the future of the party. Get those people to stay, and the Democrats could manage to significantly increase their base for future elections.

But Clinton won't pack it in, the Democrats will start dragging themselves through the deep legal muds of Florida, truly making Clinton the Democrats answer to G.W. Bush. More money will be wasted, the supporters of both candidates will start to grow tired as the race drags on and on...

The Democratic party leaders should really put pressure on Clinton to stop. It's starting to look like the democrats could actually find a way to lose this one.

Clinton has every right to stay in this election. She looks set to win in Pennsylvania by ten or more points, and she won Texas and Ohio, two massive states, just last week! Not to mention that she's bound to get a lot more superdelegate votes than Obama. As for protracted legal battles over Michigan and Florida, she is fighting to make sure that the voter's voices are heard, nothing wrong with that.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Johnny 99

Clinton has every right to stay in this election. She looks set to win in Pennsylvania by ten or more points, and she won Texas and Ohio, two massive states, just last week! Not to mention that she's bound to get a lot more superdelegate votes than Obama.

Correction. She won Ohio, but Texas was a wash, from a delegate perspective (which is what matters), which means it was as good as a loss. Clinton needed to win Texas big, and she didn't. Obama is kicking her ass in caucuses, which hold a little more relevance to the political process down here than a general vote. The general vote allows for some level of manipulation by outside agencies (Republicans and Independents skewing popular vote as example) but caucuses allow for only registered party members to participate in the lengthy and drawn out process. The caucus is considered a more accurate portrail of the general feeling of the party. Obama clearly has a massive edge here.

The "superdelegate" issue is also wide open. Clinton got the endorsement of many superdelegates early on the race, when it didn't appear to be a race at all. Since then, Obama has run roughshod over the Clinton campaign, beating her better than 2-to-1 in states won. With as few states left as there are, and some of those being in Obama country, Clinton is pretty well buried. She would have to win Pennsylvania by 30 points and take a gain of no worse that 80 delegates to remain in the race. It's not impossible, but extremely unlikely.

As for protracted legal battles over Michigan and Florida, she is fighting to make sure that the voter's voices are heard, nothing wrong with that.

Bull. Clinton couldn't give to squirts of urine about the voters voices. If Florida and Michigan had gone Obama's way, she would be fighting tooth and nail to keep those delegates from being seated. It's politics, and those two states are her last hope of achieving the nomination. She will fight to get those delegates seated because she thinks they will make a positive impact on her getting the nomination.

Clinton had better watch what she wishes for too. Should she some how manage to get Florida and Michigan to host another primary (which is actually beyond her control since that power resides with the DNC) she would have to understand that the political environment has changed dramatically in both states. Both primaries took place when it was supposedly a foregone conclusion that she was going to get the nod. Florida is still likely to go her way, as there is an incredible number of transplanted New Yorkers and New Englanders that would be Clinton friendly. Michigan will likely swing the other way. Obama wasn't even on the ballot when the primary took place, and since then Obama has received the endorsement of the ultra powerful UAW, which guides much of the decision making in Michigan. Florida's 185 delegates and Michigan's 128 delegates could certainly be the swing, but they are completely up for grabs and would likely shake out much different than Clinton hopes. A lot has changed since those "primaries" were run, and for that reason Clinton would be best advised to let sleeping dogs alone. She may not like the results of a re-vote and the momentum built up against her.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Itse

It's time Clinton packed it in, as it's starting to get increasingly obvious she's not going to win this election. Unfortunately for the Democrats, she won't.

The only thing her continued candidacy will achieve is some more smear on her own partys future presidential candidate, millions of dollars of Democrat supporter money wasted and a continued state of hostilities in a time when the Dems should really start pulling together to make sure the presidency doesn't slip away this time.

It will also mean legal battles over the results of the Florida and Michigan votes, which is just the stupidest thing the Democrats could get into now. Even if Clinton would win, the only thing achieved would simply be that they'd manage to piss off a huge number of Obama supporters, many of whom are exactly the kind of young enthusiasts that should be the future of the party. Get those people to stay, and the Democrats could manage to significantly increase their base for future elections.

But Clinton won't pack it in, the Democrats will start dragging themselves through the deep legal muds of Florida, truly making Clinton the Democrats answer to G.W. Bush. More money will be wasted, the supporters of both candidates will start to grow tired as the race drags on and on...

The Democratic party leaders should really put pressure on Clinton to stop. It's starting to look like the democrats could actually find a way to lose this one.

Man, if this happens, that would be simply awesome!