[News] Gavin McKenna facing charges for assault UPD: felony charge withdrawn

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The "victim" was given the chance to walk away unscathed and circled back to cause trouble.

Contributory Negligence?

Mitigating factor?

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

It's hard to decide which argument I side with. On one hand it's a big scawwy world and the mean man might have besmirched his mommy and you’re honour bound to do a violence in that situation while on the other hand you’re on the precipice of the greatest opportunity of your life you dumbass why are you underage drinking with your family and endangering that with foolish street fights. Grow up dumb dumb.

The story is definitely suspect. Maybe his handlers are that good. His agent is earning his pay now though.

[FanSince'01]

If it's true with those new updates that the guy - who evidently is a few years older than McKenna - was waiting outside the bar specifically to start s*** with him after being kicked out, that completely changes things.

I'm not and have never been a fighter and I generally choose the peaceful option if at all possible, but if I was in the same situation as McKenna and left the bar only to find the guy waiting for me, I know I'd be on the defensive immediately and worried about having to defend myself or whether or not this guy was going to try to attack me at any given moment.

In that situation, you're in full fight-or-flight mode and while that may not fully excuse throwing the first punch, it clarifies the context of things and makes the other guy sure seem like the instigator of everything. I would say it makes McKenna's actions more justifiable than if he would have punched him just for jaw-jacking in the bar and insulting his mother.

[Lewis_D]

In fairness to Mckenna, I don't think I'd last a month at one of those US colleges without punching someone in the face. American college bros are the worst. Look at the photo of the 'victim', he looks like a smug little ####.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

https://twitter.com/user/status/2019273133413318895


If the guy waited outside for him, I would imagine that changes the narrative.

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If that's the case....how is McKenna even being charged? Someone waiting for you outside and confronting you is pretty threatening to me. What other reason does he have to wait outside the bar than to attempt to fight?

We'll eventually see the tape, but if the other guy is waiting outside and then physically coming towards him, I'd say that grounds to throw a fist. I'm guessing there has to be more to it than this. McKenna was also likely with a group of people.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Not necessarily. It will turn on whether Mckenna felt he was in imminent danger of a physical confrontation.

If the guy was outside and just continued chirping him but wasn't a physical threat, McKenna has no right to simply punch him.

And none of us know the answer to that question.

I do expect that if the punchee got all up in McKenna's face outside, he could argue successfully that he felt he was in imminent danger of getting punched himself.

A lot of it depends on how the guy approached McKenna outside the bar. If a guy was waiting for me in the dark outside a bar, after a previous confrontation, I'd take any physical movement towards me as a threat though. I'm not going to wait for some guy to get the first punch in and start wailing on me outside of a club, where security isn't there.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by blankall

If that's the case....how is McKenna even being charged? Someone waiting for you outside and confronting you is pretty threatening to me. What other reason does he have to wait outside the bar than to attempt to fight?

We'll eventually see the tape, but if the other guy is waiting outside and then physically coming towards him, I'd say that grounds to throw a fist. I'm guessing there has to be more to it than this. McKenna was also likely with a group of people.

It could be that they want to make an example out of an athlete or McKenna was way out of line. I am honestly just glad it wasn't another sexual assault allegation

[DJones]

Originally Posted by blankall

If that's the case....how is McKenna even being charged? Someone waiting for you outside and confronting you is pretty threatening to me. What other reason does he have to wait outside the bar than to attempt to fight?

We'll eventually see the tape, but if the other guy is waiting outside and then physically coming towards him, I'd say that grounds to throw a fist. I'm guessing there has to be more to it than this. McKenna was also likely with a group of people.

Sounds like the cops were called to the hospital. So they just based it off a guy being injured.

If that timeline is true and he was waiting for him outside the charges should be dropped imo.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

If that's the case....how is McKenna even being charged? Someone waiting for you outside and confronting you is pretty threatening to me. What other reason does he have to wait outside the bar than to attempt to fight?

We'll eventually see the tape, but if the other guy is waiting outside and then physically coming towards him, I'd say that grounds to throw a fist. I'm guessing there has to be more to it than this. McKenna was also likely with a group of people.

If he was booted, he could have been waiting for other people as well. It might be presumptuous to assume his presence was just to meet up with McKenna.

Like you said, there is likely more to the story than what some people said on social media. We don't know their biases or if they even saw anything. There is never a shortage of people posting on social media for attention anything something news breaking happens. At least some of the posts online seem to have originated from fans or people associated with the university.

The truth will eventually come out. I do hope that he isn't as guilty as the worst of the charges implies. Fewer felony assaults is always better than more.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It could be that they want to make an example out of an athlete or McKenna was way out of line. I am honestly just glad it wasn't another sexual assault allegation

A lot of facts flying around:

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...assault-charge

One alleged witness shared a text claiming the victim suffered a jaw fractured in three places, a concussion, and three missing teeth.

That sounds like more than two punches.

Who knows what the truth is at this point. Some reports stating that McKenna punched him in the bar and others stating the guy waited outside for him.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If he was booted, he could have been waiting for other people as well. It might be presumptuous to assume his presence was just to meet up with McKenna.

Like you said, there is likely more to the story than what some people said on social media. We don't know their biases or if they even saw anything. There is never a shortage of people posting on social media for attention anything something news breaking happens. At least some of the posts online seem to have originated from fans or people associated with the university.

The truth will eventually come out. I do hope that he isn't as guilty as the worst of the charges implies. Fewer felony assaults is always better than more.

Fair enough. It could have been a situation where he was booted outside the bar and waiting for his ride home. McKenna sees him and initiates the confrontation outside....seems unlikely, but we'll likely get more facts later.

[Samonadreau]

Someone calls my mom a whore and is trying to start crap with me and wont leave me alone, I might punch him in the face too.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It could be that they want to make an example out of an athlete or McKenna was way out of line. I am honestly just glad it wasn't another sexual assault allegation

This. It is genuinely distressing to me how relieved I was--RELIEVED!--that he "just" broke some dude's jaw.

What a time to be alive.

[KamFongAsChinHo]

Originally Posted by blankall

A lot of facts flying around:

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...assault-charge



That sounds like more than two punches.

Who knows what the truth is at this point. Some reports stating that McKenna punched him in the bar and others stating the guy waited outside for him.

I have it from a reliable source that this guy also got McKenna's cat pregnant.

Some lines you just don't cross.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by KamFongAsChinHo

I have it from a reliable source that this guy also got McKenna's cat pregnant.

Some lines you just don't cross.

Yea. Fe-lines

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by blankall

A lot of facts flying around:

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...assault-charge



That sounds like more than two punches.

Who knows what the truth is at this point. Some reports stating that McKenna punched him in the bar and others stating the guy waited outside for him.

That can happen with one punch, especially from an elite athlete.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dino7c

if this is accurate he is fine and will be getting off with little to no punishment...as he should

Guys waiting for him outside? deserved the ass kicking

I can't discern if this tough guy narrative is just a general belief from many folks in this thread, which is astounding to me, or if it's just defending a potential Flame at all costs?

Like I don't know anyone that would just drop a guy based on this. Was the dude being a jerk? Abso########lutely, but the 'lesson' you teach this guy pales in comparison to the risk you're exposing yourself to. The vast majority of the population show restraint in these moments, not this eye for an eye highschool BS.

Factoring in how much these guys have a magnifying glass on their every action in a DRAFT year? It's ludicrous to defend this, and this kid should rightfully be pressed on this during every pre-draft interview.

People want to call this grit or truculence? No, it's stupidity.

[btimbit]

Only losers fight off the ice, how I was raised and what I still believe

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by blankall

If that's the case....how is McKenna even being charged? Someone waiting for you outside and confronting you is pretty threatening to me. What other reason does he have to wait outside the bar than to attempt to fight?

We'll eventually see the tape, but if the other guy is waiting outside and then physically coming towards him, I'd say that grounds to throw a fist. I'm guessing there has to be more to it than this. McKenna was also likely with a group of people.

Of course I don't know the local state laws on assault, and I'm too lazy to look them up, or the police procedures of the department that charged him but I can theorize that the charges were laid based on the severity of the injuries alone. Police lay the charge and leave it up to the local DA on if they want to proceed with the charges. No doubt the evidence of the assault is valid, regardless of how and why it happened, it happened and that wont be a disputed fact (so the police laid the charge) now its up to the DA to figure out the rest of the story and figure out how to proceed.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by blankall

A lot of facts flying around:

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...assault-charge

Misa and Smith with the boxing memes