[Trade] Rantanen, Hall to CAR. Necas, Drury, 2nd, 4th to COL. CHI ret 50% of Rantanen + 3rd

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The backbone to move a guy that is going to be a UFA and they will not be able to sign? I think that Conroy has already shown that backbone. It is not like Rantanen was traded three years ago, he was traded because the Avs were not going to be able to sign him.

The backbone to remain focused on what's in the organization's best interests, despite the standings.

[transplant99]

Carolina Hurricanes GM Eric Tulsky said his team has the desire and the financial flexibility to give newly acquired star winger Mikko Rantanen the massive new contract he's seeking ahead of unrestricted free agency this offseason.

That is, if he wants to remain with the Hurricanes.

"At this point it's more of a recruiting pitch than a negotiation in my mind," said Tulsky on Saturday.

"[Rantanen] is an incredible player. If he gets to free agency, I'm sure there will be teams that will pay him a lot of money, and so our job in the next weeks and months is to make it so he wants to be here," he said. "He has the right as a free agent to decide where to sign and it may not come down to the money for him. It may come down to where he wants to be. So our goal is to make him want to be here and then offer enough money that he doesn't have to think twice about it."

Last season, the Hurricanes didn't have the cap flexibility to sign Guentzel and the other players they wanted on the roster. This offseason, Tulsky estimates the team could have between $35-$40 million in cap space. The Hurricanes will be the only team able to give Rantanen an 8-year contract, per NHL CBA rules.

"Our team situation is totally different right now," he said. "We don't feel nearly as constrained."

The Avalanche and Hurricanes had been discussing Rantanen since last summer. Tulsky said the last 6-8 weeks saw them table "serious offers" for the winger. The Hurricanes were pushing hard to complete the trade in the last two weeks.

Those talks with Colorado were happening at the same time Carolina was discussing trades with other teams. Sources told ESPN that the Hurricanes and Vancouver Canucks had engaged in negotiations about forwards Elias Pettersson and J.T. Miller.

Tulsky said that in the last week there was a desire for all parties to "get their best offers on the table" so the Hurricanes could decide which player to pursue.

"Everybody had multiple offers. It was sort of time for everyone to figure out what they wanted to do and this deal got done," he said. "It was a complicated dance."

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...rees-extension

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The backbone to remain focused on what's in the organization's best interests, despite the standings.

I guess. Suspect when the Hurricanes went to the Avs in the summer and said “how about Necas and some filler for Rantanen” they were laughed off the phone. When it became clear the Avs would not be able to sign rantanen the offer seemed better:

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The backbone to remain focused on what's in the organization's best interests, despite the standings.

And jersey sales, community status.

An example of an organization actually trying to win a cup and maximize its window

[activeStick]

Rantanen is going to be Conroy's big splash to put his name on the core!

[Goriders]

Read a sportsnet article in which McKinnon seemed pretty shocked about the trade. Not a good shocked either.

Maybe the Avs and Canucks both crater and if the mighty Flames can win tonight and the Blues lose the blues will start selling.

The stars might align for Cgy.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Read a sportsnet article in which McKinnon seemed pretty shocked about the trade. Not a good shocked either.

Maybe the Avs and Canucks both crater and if the mighty Flames can win tonight and the Blues lose the blues will start selling.

The stars might align for Cgy.

I just read the article and I'm surprised. Figured they would have spoken to Mackinnon for sure.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Rantanen is going to be Conroy's big splash to put his name on the core!

That would be really cool, can't see it happening though.

[dino7c]

You only get so many legit shots at a cup...Avs will regret this IMO

[chedder]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Rantanen is going to be Conroy's big splash to put his name on the core!

I know not the same type of player but Rantanen would be the same age as Huberdeau when we signed him to his mega contract. And Rantanen will be several million more per year.

Separately, Necas is really good too.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I just read the article and I'm surprised. Figured they would have spoken to Mackinnon for sure.

Would YOU want to have that conversation with mackinnon? Lol.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You only get so many legit shots at a cup...Avs will regret this IMO

I assume the majority of the Flames fanbase, myself included, would want him to win a cup and then walk instead of not win that cup… but Avs have so much recent success that I imagine the ratio would be flipped.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You only get so many legit shots at a cup...Avs will regret this IMO

I guess they feel they are extending their window by getting a player they have a little more control over and will be cheaper to re-sign.

[Southside]

Oilers fans thumping their chests on the notion that the Draisatl contract broke the Avalanche. LOL.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Southside

Oilers fans thumping their chests on the notion that the Draisatl contract broke the Avalanche. LOL.

Then when they re-sign McCrosscheck. they can thump their chests at the reality that their own guy broke his own team.

[stemit14]

Not sure if it’s been posted here but Rantanen did an interview with a Finnish newspaper claiming he was willing to sign with Colorado for below market value and was shocked by the trade because he thought they were still negotiating. I’m paraphrasing but that’s essentially what he said.

I’m sure both sides will have different interpretations of what “below market value” is (i.e. $13 million could be considered below market value)… but it seems like there was poor communication between everyone involved. Seems like the Avs were quick to switch to the trade route. Why not communicate to his agent that they cannot let him walk to free agency and have nothing to show for it? That if they didn’t have a deal in place by a certain point, they would have to look into trading him. At least if they did that, it could have put pressure on the negotiations to get to the “final offer” stage.

Huge risk losing Rantanen like this especially in the middle of their contention window. The reactions from the Colorado players and even the coach make them look gutted/frustrated with management. I feel like sticking to the “Rantanen can’t make more than McKinnon” policy is a foolish move on their part. Malkin made more than Crosby at one point simply because his contract came up at a later point. I don’t know the numbers but if the difference in keeping or losing a player like Rantanen was $1 million in AAV, I think that’s it’s a huge mistake to trade him.

[transplant99]

Colorado was not willing to give him more than MacKinnons 12.6

Doubt that Rantanen would settle for anything less than 13M and likely wants Draisati money or just under.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They talked trade in the summer as well. So it’s not like they just switched positions. Also the lack of depth probably helped make it easier dealing him.

While Necas is a downgrade they did get a 3rd line C that can win faceoffs they have cap space and picks to get more pieces.

Colorado was deep deep team when they won. They know what it takes and having 3 players produce won’t get it done. They also know they needed a goalie and went and got one.

While it stings to lose a player like this, Colorado wants to win cups not produce the most 100 point players.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You only get so many legit shots at a cup...Avs will regret this IMO

Tough to see them regret this if Rantanen signs for $14M. Avs are a wildcard team at the moment it is not like they moved him in the midst of a presidents trophy run.

It will be interesting to see how they allocate the extra cap for the rest of this year and next

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They talked trade in the summer as well. So it’s not like they just switched positions. Also the lack of depth probably helped make it easier dealing him.

While Necas is a downgrade they did get a 3rd line C that can win faceoffs they have cap space and picks to get more pieces.

Colorado was deep deep team when they won. They know what it takes and having 3 players produce won’t get it done. They also know they needed a goalie and went and got one.

While it stings to lose a player like this, Colorado wants to win cups not produce the most 100 point players.

A 20 point center is a pretty poor 3rd line center. He probably is a 3rd line center on their team but not on most teams.