4 nations rosters

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

lol waste of time. Tickets aren’t selling and most don’t care.

It does feel a lot like the North America vs the World All Star Games from the late 90s/early 2000s. There isn't the mystique around this event that other best on best tournaments have (although I would argue that the alure of the World Cup of Hockey is debatable at best now). The only international event that people care about is the Olympics.

It would be more interesting if they condensed the event into a week of 3 on 3 minimal contact rather than pretending that this was an event people cared about.

[dissentowner]

Lots of people care about this event, I hate when the dissenters try to speak for everyone.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lots of people care about this event, I hate when the dissenters try to speak for everyone.

At very least they should speak with the owner first.

[BigThief]

You're probably own a dissenting opinion if you're excited about this tournament. Most people don't care or don't even know about it.

[Calgary4LIfe]

There is one problem with the 4 Nations - everyone knows it is a 'gimmick'. There is no history. I don't know why on earth they decided to call it the 4 Nations.


I am sure looking back in history, a lot of people probably thought the first few World Cups were gimmicks. Now it is the most prestigious sporting tournament in the world. European Championships is probably #2. Nothing else comes close.



The NHL should take control of this, make an international tournament every 2 years, call it something (Canada Cup, World Cup, Ice Cup, Sunshine and Rainbows Cup. WTHC?), keep calling the same thing, and eventually it will start to mean something.


Summit Series... Canada Cup... World Cup of Hockey... 4 Nations. It is almost like the NHL is intent on resetting it back to zero, and lifting up their arms in surrender when people don't care about it. There is no pedigree, no history.


So either stop doing it and have the NHL tie their fortunes to the Olympics, or trust that enough more and more people will care about a REGULAR best on best tournament.


What other sports can legitimately run an international tournament? Basketball? Nope - not enough good countries. Baseball? Maybe, but I doubt there are enough good countries to make it interesting either. American football? Sorry, but not for many decades at least. Superbowl may be the highest rated single game of the entire sporting world, but they can't even begin to star-up an international tourney. We are looking at Rugby and Cricket as the next best after soccer, and if the NHL can build a regular tournament, they will position themselves as #2 in the world. Hockey may never get bigger than the "Big 4" in North America, but they a chance to grow the most outside of North America.


As for people not caring.. that's cool. i am very excited to finally see some best on best hockey. It has been way too @#$#@$#@ long! Sure, Russia won't be there, and that sucks (but also understandable), and the rest of the world leaders in the sport will be there. It should be fun, even if it is a one-and-done spectacle that you will mostly forget (like we mostly forgot about the World Cup of Hockey). I still enjoyed watching that one (which was much more well-named, but much more gimmicky). I am sure most did.


It is an exciting break from the NHL, and it is WAY better than an All-star break that is meaningless.

[getbak]

I think the plan was always for this to be the World Cup but stupid Putin and his stupid war made that impossible. Since the whole thing is just each team playing each other once and a one-game final between the two teams with the best records, I don't know why they couldn't have added the Czechs as well and still called it the World Cup.

[dino7c]

Tickets arent selling because prices are too high

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

https://twitter.com/user/status/1883642745132380596

Will be curious to see how the NHL handles this. He’s playing 20 minutes tonight…

[BigThief]

Have team Canada replace him and move on...?

[dino7c]

This tourney is all HRR, players stand to gain/lose as much as anyone

[Calgary]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Will be curious to see how the NHL handles this. He’s playing 20 minutes tonight…

WTF they going to do?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Calgary

WTF they going to do?

Suspend him similar to how they’ve suspended Ovechkin for failing to show up to the all star games. This isn’t a new thing.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Suspend him similar to how they’ve suspended Ovechkin for failing to show up to the all star games. This isn’t a new thing.

This ain't the all-star game and there are no such rules. The is designed to be a competitive thus physical competition. All-Star game skips were becoming commonplace among star players before that rule was out in place.

Players are under no obligation to say yes here

[Goriders]

Wonder if Weegar draws in.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Wonder if Weegar draws in.

I hope not. Not particularly happy with Anderson going. Completely meaningless tournament where it's suppose to be competitive and physical. Seems like a meaningless way to ruin the players seasons and there team to suffer when someone gets hurt.

This is a cheap knockoff of the Olympics/ world juniors . This tournament only includes nhl players and not every great <insert country name> players from around the world. , there's no prestigious history etc etc.

What a money grab .

[Goriders]

It does seem risky for nhl teams if any of their players get injured right before the stretch drive

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tickets arent selling because prices are too high

And the format is just not interesting IMO. Only Canadian, American. Swedish, and Finnish players get to participate. Leaving out Czechs, Slovaks, Russians, and others just based on their nationality. Is any team that wins really going to care that much? All-Star games are bad enough, but this seems even more lame. Bringing nationalism into a league with a diverse group of players just seems like it want's to create drama where there doesn't need to be any.

If I wanted to build a 4 team mini tournament of NHL players, I'd use the divisions as the teams entering. A cabal of the head coaches from each division could select the players to make the team. The catch being, that a coach could not select players from their own team and would each have to select 3 players from their divisional rivals. Also each team would have 3 players selected from their roster during the process. They could have a random lottery to decide the order.

Now I would watch something like that. Then have a really good prize for the players that win so that they actually play a little hard.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And the format is just not interesting IMO. Only Canadian, American. Swedish, and Finnish players get to participate. Leaving out Czechs, Slovaks, Russians, and others just based on their nationality. Is any team that wins really going to care that much? All-Star games are bad enough, but this seems even more lame. Bringing nationalism into a league with a diverse group of players just seems like it want's to create drama where there doesn't need to be any.

If I wanted to build a 4 team mini tournament of NHL players, I'd use the divisions as the teams entering. A cabal of the head coaches from each division could select the players to make the team. The catch being, that a coach could not select players from their own team and would each have to select 3 players from their divisional rivals. They could have a random lottery to decide the order.

Now I would watch something like that. Then have a really good prize for the players that win so that they actually play a little hard.

Nah, this will be actual hockey at the highest level...players are gonna go hard for their countries Vs. playing for some random division team ect.

Canada cup was never a big deal until it started and things heated up

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It does seem risky for nhl teams if any of their players get injured right before the stretch drive

This is why the leugue said nhl players shouldn't and were not avaliable for the Olympics in years past. At least the Olympics there is some prestige in playing in the Olympics. A millenia of pride vs a money grab if injured. There's earned pride in a tradition vs a corporation wanting more money on there take. I know I know the ioc is corrupt now and no better but If I was a player and had the choice between participating and ruining my career vs a 1 off event for the 4 nations... I'm risking a injury and my career for the Olympics vs the for nations tourney. " He risked it all for his country this Olympics and will go down in history vs " in 2025 the nhl hosted the 4 nations and he was injured but never returned"

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Nah, this will be actual hockey at the highest level...players are gonna go hard for their countries Vs. playing for some random division team ect.

Canada cup was never a big deal until it started and things heated up

Really, because I don't think most fans or players will give a crap about a contrived fake Olympics. The number of seats still available says a lot no matter what the ticket prices are. I went on to ticket master, and the prices don' seem bad at all. I doubt whatever team wins this holds it in much high regard for career achievements.

It will be interesting to see the ratings during the event.