[Rumour] Friedman: Flames and Hanifin have made progress on contract extension

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by getbak

Teams give them out because players want them.


You know which team has the most 8-year contracts? Tampa. They have 9.

Many teams have 4. The Flames currently have 2.

Well they've won cups and have shown when to cut players lose (Coleman)

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Well they've won cups and have shown when to cut players lose (Coleman)

Exactly. They sign winners to 8 year deals.

[Tkachukwagon]

But Hanifin is our cardio king

https://twitter.com/user/status/1716882584041632133

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by camm13

I'm with you, especially how good this past years draft was. We could have expedited the "rebuild" or re tooled way quicker than in years past.

Last year would have been a great year to have a top 5 pick, but so many teams had the same idea. Last year there were 4 teams below .400 point %

Year before 5 below .400 point %

Last time there were more than 2....McDavid's draft year.

Every year between had 0-1.

2015/16 draft year worst team had .421%
2016/17 only 1 team was below .400
2017/18 1 team below .400
2018/19 1 team below .400
2019/20 1 team below .400

Some years you can be 2nd last in the league around .430 point percent. Flames have been within reach of this. Just need to sell more often when things aren't working.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks if we signed these guys that we are stuck in the middle for a decade. See Flames over the last 5 years

2018/19 .652%
2019/20 .563%
2020/21 .491%
2021/22 .677%
2022/23 .567%

Some of these years we were sending out almost the exact same team yet some years we drop over .100%

This team just needs to sell when they should sell, buy less often and play more of their kids. Time will tell on the first 2, but Conroy already has shown he's willing to play the kids.

Also, so many want a rebuild yet the rebuild people are the least patient posters on here. 5 games in and haven't been great. But you could make a case that Coronato hasn't been great, arguably has the worst stats on the team. We need to give this a few more games, some of the vets aren't rolling yet and some of the kids are getting their first crack. Way too early for all this.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Last year would have been a great year to have a top 5 pick

They didn't even need to be in the top 5 to find some gems from last year draft, even getting another in the top 20 would have been great. They were a bubble team in the playoffs with Gaudreau/ Tkachuk. They got Weegar/Huberdeau coming off career years in Florida, they should have flipped them for a haul, seeing as how both were also on good contracts for one more year.



Instead, signed huberdeau to $10.5 x 8, then wasted a first rounder to dump Monahan for a year to lock in another neal type contract in Kadri for 7 years.

Instead of getting younger, they got older, and got worse. Now re signing a bunch of players, and rolling with the same bubble team. Backlund, sure ok. Then Hanifin, Lindholm, and rumors of Tanev too. Running it back with the same "core", and having basically no high end prospects in the pipeline. Team has no direction

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Are you serious? You don't see a difference between calling someone names vs criticizing their work? No wonder you are despised on here.

It's easy saying this stuff behind an online handle. It's bullying 101.

Just cut it out. Trying being kind. Or at least nuanced.

LOL

I already explained why I didn't think it was as big of a deal as others, but didn't use those phrases myself so calm down on the bullying/behind a keyboard nonsense.

As I said it was criticizing their work, if I missed a post when it was a personal attack then I change my position but what I saw was someone commenting on him based on what he did on twitter and TSN in relation to the Flames.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by camm13

They didn't even need to be in the top 5 to find some gems from last year draft, even getting another in the top 20 would have been great. They were a bubble team in the playoffs with Gaudreau/ Tkachuk. They got Weegar/Huberdeau coming off career years in Florida, they should have flipped them for a haul, seeing as how both were also on good contracts for one more year.



Instead, signed huberdeau to $10.5 x 8, then wasted a first rounder to dump Monahan for a year to lock in another neal type contract in Kadri for 7 years.

Instead of getting younger, they got older, and got worse. Now re signing a bunch of players, and rolling with the same bubble team. Backlund, sure ok. Then Hanifin, Lindholm, and rumors of Tanev too. Running it back with the same "core", and having basically no high end prospects in the pipeline. Team has no direction

I agree that would have been better knowing what we know now. At the time of the trade nobody was expecting Huberdeau to be this disappointing this quickly. Sure, the extension was a risk but not now. Nobody.

It's easy to criticize now but you also can't guarantee that 20-30 OV last year is going to be a 115-point player either. 2013 was a stacked draft, go look, lots of busts in that draft.

Also, did Treliving have the option to rebuild. Might not have. Maybe Necas and a 1st is better. But Carolina first was very late in the draft.

Getting a first after that trade during the season looked like it was nearly impossible. Most teams were not trading firsts at the deadline.

I would love a full rebuild, but it just doesn't seem like it will happen. Maybe if we are forced into one.

I do think that if you manage your assets better, we can build a similar core with more assets to trade or fill out our roster with a better prospect pool.

Some years, you can be a bottom 3 team and around.450 point %. We had 2 years in the last 5 where we should have sold at the deadline and did not.

So no rebuild, why not lock up the best players we have and see if we can hit on some picks and if we have an off-year tank for half a year and see who we get. It's still possible to get a high pick during those down years.

Also, if we sell more often and have extra prospects and picks if another Jack Eichel scenario comes up, we need to be in on that. But when your short picks, cap space and prospects it's hard to pull the trigger.

There are options besides rebuilding. 6 games in and we look like the same old team and the same posters get on here and act like it's the only option. It's not possible to build a team any other way.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Also, so many want a rebuild yet the rebuild people are the least patient posters on here. 5 games in and haven't been great. But you could make a case that Coronato hasn't been great, arguably has the worst stats on the team. We need to give this a few more games, some of the vets aren't rolling yet and some of the kids are getting their first crack. Way too early for all this.

Honestly, it’s not really about patience for me… I don’t really like this version of the team that much. I don’t think they really have the personnel to do anything of note. I’m open to them changing my mind, because ultimately I’m a fan because I want to watch my team do well. But if I’m being truthful to myself, this collection of players aren’t close. At all.

[bluejays]

Agreed. They're still missing blazing speed top to bottom. Annoying that management is stubborn in thinking they've got something when the top end skill just isn't there. Further, they keep typing themselves into long term deals with vets. It's such a nonsensical thing but hey, none of us know what we're talking about as fans. Paid pros have to know what they're doing.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Also, so many want a rebuild yet the rebuild people are the least patient posters on here. 5 games in and haven't been great. But you could make a case that Coronato hasn't been great, arguably has the worst stats on the team. We need to give this a few more games, some of the vets aren't rolling yet and some of the kids are getting their first crack. Way too early for all this.

I don't think they are impatient they just realize that after a mediocre run over the past 5 years that these 5 games are showing more of the same after the team made very little changes to the team over the summer.

Its not like the team was Colorado or Vegas last season and people are grumpy about a 5 game start, this goes well beyond the 5 games this season.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think people on this forum, who probably should be considered hard core fans, represent only a portion of the fan base. There are more casual fans, or not necessarily fans at all, of the team in Calgary. Rebuilding is sexy as hell to the hardcore fans but I think the organization knows full well that attendance would take a significant hit for an undetermined amount of time. I’m no economist but I suspect there’s good reason why the Flames have historically avoided rebuilding.

I don't know a single person in real life who agrees with the current direction or enjoys this iteration of the Flames. EVERYONE knows they need to rebuild. This board is the only place you'll find fans trying to convince each other that this team isn't a complete disaster.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I don't know a single person in real life who agrees with the current direction or enjoys this iteration of the Flames. EVERYONE knows they need to rebuild. This board is the only place you'll find fans trying to convince each other that this team isn't a complete disaster.

This is bad and boring hockey with no real youth to look forward to. Terrible combo that will have people looking elsewhere to spend their entertainment dollars.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I don't know a single person in real life who agrees with the current direction or enjoys this iteration of the Flames. EVERYONE knows they need to rebuild. This board is the only place you'll find fans trying to convince each other that this team isn't a complete disaster.

EVERYONE?

That’s hyperbole to the point of being ridiculous. My wife probably couldn’t name more than 5 Flames right now. I could walk around my office or the building I work in and I’d be surprised if even half the people said they ‘had to’ rebuild or even care.

The Flames do have a large fan base but I think your perception of how many people actually care or invest the time to care is a little out of touch.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TOfan

EVERYONE?

That’s hyperbole to the point of being ridiculous. My wife probably couldn’t name more than 5 Flames right now. I could walk around my office or the building I work in and I’d be surprised if even half the people said they ‘had to’ rebuild or even care.

The Flames do have a large fan base but I think your perception of how many people actually care or invest the time to care is a little out of touch.

Clearly he means everyone who cares about the team. I tend to agree I can’t find anyone I know who likes this team outside this board who does not think the Flames are doomed and need to blow it up

[Bonded]

I think the Flames have a pretty small fan base for a Canadian team. Go walk around your office with a pair of Flames tickets and try to sell them at cost. Calgary has a lot of bandwagon fans and you need success to get those people in the dome.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think the Flames have a pretty small fan base for a Canadian team. Go walk around your office with a pair of Flames tickets and try to sell them at cost. Calgary has a lot of bandwagon fans and you need success to get those people in the dome.

The problem is this city is full of transplants. We all know the Edmonton dream as a child is to move to Calgary when you grow up. People flock here from Ontario, Manitoba, and BC with their allegiances intact.

Canadian team fanbase are definitely Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Edmonton

Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa brining up the rear.

This current flames team is the most unlikablae in the history of the franchise. At least we had Iggy for 16 years and before him many Flames legends. This current team has no homegrown superstars and a bunch of overpaid guys who either turned us down in the past or played in a market where very few followed the team.

[BigT112]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think the Flames have a pretty small fan base for a Canadian team. Go walk around your office with a pair of Flames tickets and try to sell them at cost. Calgary has a lot of bandwagon fans and you need success to get those people in the dome.

Decades of mediocrity will do that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The problem is this city is full of transplants. We all know the Edmonton dream as a child is to move to Calgary when you grow up. People flock here from Ontario, Manitoba, and BC with their allegiances intact.

Canadian team fanbase are definitely Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Edmonton

Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa brining up the rear.

This current flames team is the most unlikablae in the history of the franchise. At least we had Iggy for 16 years and before him many Flames legends. This current team has no homegrown superstars and a bunch of overpaid guys who either turned us down in the past or played in a market where very few followed the team.

Yup, and toss in the fact that Oilers dominate in AB north of Calgary and SK because of the Gretzky years and you basically have Calgary and Southern Alberta to draw from.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup, and toss in the fact that Oilers dominate in AB north of Calgary and SK because of the Gretzky years and you basically have Calgary and Southern Alberta to draw from.

Tough to even claim southern Alberta. I have lived in Calgary for more than 20 years but grew up in Medicine Hat and that is an Oilers town. Being 40 I was a very young child when the Oilers were winning cups and the Flames won theirs. Ultimately the Gretzky era engulfed all of Alberta outside of Calgary.

Maybe Lethbridge is a Flames town? I think most of AB and SK is Oil country outside of our great city

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

But Hanifin is our cardio king

https://twitter.com/user/status/1716882584041632133

Hanifin really is Bouwmeester 2.0, which is to say that he is a really good player and will probably help another team win the Stanley Cup.