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CaptainYooh · 10-09-2023, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by marsplasticeraser

…and we had to have our shoes on once we entered Israeli airspace.

This is how they control the world.

Winsor_Pilates · 10-09-2023, 09:28 AM

Can someone explain to be the whole water supply to Gaza part?
I'm admittedly ignorant on a lot of this conflict, but why would Israel be expected to supply water and electricity to Hamas controlled regions?

PepsiFree · 10-09-2023, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

I posted earlier other news organization are doing it, too. I therefor have to assume there is a good reason, and we'll probably hear about it soon enough. Being outraged without info isn't really helping.

HonestReportingCanada, the people responsible for the “leak” criticize every Canadian media outlet any time they sense coverage is not 100% pro-Israel or even borders on anything that isn’t pro-Israel. This was followed up by a joke article from Brian Lilley, of course.

The CBC has also, awkwardly, been accused of being anti-Palestinian recently because of their language code. Sad watching people use this situation as an opportunity to attack something they don’t like.

People could just write to CBC and they’ll explain the decision, like they always do.

transplant99 · 10-09-2023, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

I posted earlier other news organization are doing it, too. I therefor have to assume there is a good reason, and we'll probably hear about it soon enough. Being outraged without info isn't really helping.

And many other news services do use the term, because that is what they are. Its in their own charter as a matter of fact, even if that term is not used.

But we have an email from the hierarchy of CBC specifically instructing employees not to use the word terrorist in describing Hamas.

The Canadian government has labelled them as such. Along with the UK, EU, US, Japan, and most democratic nations.

Again the list of nations that dont/wont label them as such is a who's who of human rights ignorers.

Russia, Iran, China, Syria, Qatar etc...

activeStick · 10-09-2023, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Can someone explain to be the whole water supply to Gaza part?
I'm admittedly ignorant on a lot of this conflict, but why would Israel be expected to supply water and electricity to Hamas controlled regions?

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Palestinians say they can barely get enough water to bathe their children and wash their clothes – let alone sustain livestock and grow fruit trees.

The Israeli settlements look like oases in comparison. Flowers grow, farmed fish swim in neat rows of ponds and children splash in community pools.

In the herding communities of the northern Jordan Valley, Palestinian water consumption is just 26 litres (7 gallons) a day – well below the minimum requirement of 50-100 litres recommended by the World Health Organization, according to B’Tselem.

In contrast, Israeli settlers in the Jordan Valley consume 400-700 litres per capita a day, the rights group said.

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Across the occupied West Bank, Palestinian towns and cities have suffered since interim peace accords in the 1990s gave Israel control over 80 percent of its water reserves, and most other aspects of Palestinian life. The “interim” accords remain in place today.

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Since 2021, Israeli authorities have demolished nearly 160 Palestinian reservoirs, sewage networks and wells across the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem – claiming they were unauthorised – according to the United Nations humanitarian agency, OCHA.

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/20...t-enough-water

Fuzz · 10-09-2023, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

And many other news services do use the term, because that is what they are. Its in their own charter as a matter of fact, even if that term is not used.

But we have an email from the hierarchy of CBC specifically instructing employees not to use the word terrorist in describing Hamas.

The Canadian government has labelled them as such. Along with the UK, EU, US, Japan, and most democratic nations.

Again the list of nations that dont/wont label them as such is a who's who of human rights ignorers.

Russia, Iran, China, Syria, Qatar etc...

Ya, you are right. Better to jump to conclusions, that usually reveals the truth.

transplant99 · 10-09-2023, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, you are right. Better to jump to conclusions, that usually reveals the truth.

LOL...i literally stated this

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Questions really need to be asked about all this. Who/why/when made that decision?

But carry on....its amusing.

monkeyman · 10-09-2023, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Vedder

I still can’t believe the CBC has a formal policy of not describing Hamas as terrorist group.

This is a 0.1% position held only by activist groups. This isn’t even a debate in our own federal politics. Illuminating if only to clarify the ideology of the people running their news division, and how that permeates into their coverage.

Anything that lends itself into giving legitimacy to this group as anything but a terrorist group is an absolute disservice to news.

transplant99 · 10-09-2023, 10:14 AM

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Some Canadians said they were stuck in Israel amid deadly fighting Sunday, as airlines cancelled flights out of the country and reaching the Canadian Embassy on a holiday weekend proved difficult.

Global Affairs Canada, meanwhile, said in a statement Sunday afternoon that it was aware of reports of one Canadian who has died amid the fighting and two others who are missing.

No further information about the identity of the Canadian who reportedly died, or the others who were missing, was included in the statement.

“Canadian government officials in Israel are in contact with local authorities to confirm and gather additional information,” the statement said.

https://calgary.citynews.ca/2023/10/...uck-in-israel/

GGG · 10-09-2023, 10:18 AM

Nm

PepsiFree · 10-09-2023, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

LOL...i literally stated this

But carry on....its amusing.

“I’m not drawing conclusions, I’m just asking who is RESPONSIBLE for this HARD TO STOMACH TAXPAYER FUNDED decision INSTRUCTING journalists NOT TO CALL HAMAS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION (which is definitely what was said and not my interpretation!!) which is very SIMILAR TO RUSSIA!!”

Easily amused and as transparent as cellophane. Literally.

opendoor · 10-09-2023, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Can someone explain to be the whole water supply to Gaza part?
I'm admittedly ignorant on a lot of this conflict, but why would Israel be expected to supply water and electricity to Hamas controlled regions?

Generally, a total siege that blocks millions of civilians from receiving food and water would be considered a war crime. Sieges are legal when they're done strictly against military targets and civilians are allowed to leave the encircled area, but that's unlikely to happen here.

Muddying things though, is the Gaza-Egypt border. It remains to be seen whether Israel will enforce a blockade there and/or whether Egypt will also keep the crossing closed.

transplant99 · 10-09-2023, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“I’m not drawing conclusions, I’m just asking who is RESPONSIBLE for this HARD TO STOMACH TAXPAYER FUNDED decision INSTRUCTING journalists NOT TO CALL HAMAS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION (which is definitely what was said and not my interpretation!!) which is very SIMILAR TO RUSSIA!!”

Easily amused and as transparent as cellophane. Literally.

LOL!!!

You need a mental health break sweetheart?

KootenayFlamesFan · 10-09-2023, 11:11 AM

Getting some serious ISIS vibes here.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711426615878549786

afc wimbledon · 10-09-2023, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by opendoor

Generally, a total siege that blocks millions of civilians from receiving food and water would be considered a war crime. Sieges are legal when they're done strictly against military targets and civilians are allowed to leave the encircled area, but that's unlikely to happen here.

Muddying things though, is the Gaza-Egypt border. It remains to be seen whether Israel will enforce a blockade there and/or whether Egypt will also keep the crossing closed.

Two points, cutting off supplies to an enemy country is not a war crime, never has been, we cut off everything from Germany in 1939, Gaza is a country, fully independent, they also have a border with Egypt, Hamas has had 20 years to go to its Muslim backers and ask for help in building desalination plants, create an infrastructure for the country that they fully control, there are no Israeli settlements in Gaza, if it needs Israel to survive as we need the US then it has to accept Israel's existence, it has to accept its borders and work with Israel, to be frank Hamas and the backers of Gaza sound like my teenage foster kid smashing the TV in a fit of pique and then complaining their parents wont buy them a new TV, they have a country they control, they should have built things instead of engaging in an endless unwinnable war with Israel with the stated and absurd aim of wiping Israel of the face of the earth

Vedder · 10-09-2023, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

HonestReportingCanada, the people responsible for the “leak” criticize every Canadian media outlet any time they sense coverage is not 100% pro-Israel or even borders on anything that isn’t pro-Israel. This was followed up by a joke article from Brian Lilley, of course.

The CBC has also, awkwardly, been accused of being anti-Palestinian recently because of their language code. Sad watching people use this situation as an opportunity to attack something they don’t like.

People could just write to CBC and they’ll explain the decision, like they always do.

The first point is irrelevant since CBC has confirmed the memo is authentic.

The memo itself explains the reasoning - they view that terrorism as a term has been politicized and therefore not fit for use.

It doesn't matter that Hamas both in its stated intent (destruction of Israel) and its actions (targeted rape, torture and murder of civilians) perfectly meets the actual definition of a terrorist organization. Calling them that would imply some moral imbalance between the two sides that the CBC clearly isn't comfortable with.