[PGT] Bruins 4 Flames 3 OT Loss

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Always Earned Never Given

The definition is correct as it is a high danger CHANCE from the spot where player receives the puck.

Not a high danger shot placement which could be something you could start!
Maybe call it the HDSP% (High Deluxe shot placement)

Dube's goal is a perfect example. Doesn't matter if he scored or hit Ullmark's logo, it is a high danger CHANCE from that spot.

Then you can use your HDSP% and break it down if puck was placed 18 inches (above pad but below glove), bar down, post in, logo finder, etc.

Dube and Duehr shot from the same place. Dube hit just inside the post. Duehr hit the B on Ullmark’s jersey.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by chedder

If we're just going to play out the string I would rather just let the worst goalie play and hope for a better draft pick. No sense in having Wolf play lights out to secure 9th place. There will be plenty of time next year to see if Markstrom is permanently broken.

Edit. If you're saying the team really thinks they can make the playoffs then I agree, give Wolf a try.

Do you honestly believe this team is bad enough to finish in the bottom 7/8 of the league? They are getting loser points despite this terrible goaltending, not because they are truly that bad, and will be in the middle of the draft pack regardless of how this plays out (if no changes are made).

Wolf might do nothing, but he also might continue to excel as he's done at every level and propel this team on a run. I don't see how it isn't at least worth a shot, even for a couple of games given this team needs to win now.

What is the impetus to get Wolf on the team next year if they wait? They have 2 goalies under NHL contract. At least seeing what you have in Wolf now, if even for a handful of games, gives you a leg up in terms of constructing your tandem for next season.

[GioforPM]

This game was bad for the “sell everything” crowd.

[Naitix]

Wolf does not let in the 2 goals that Vladar did, call him up already

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Wolf does not let in the 2 goals that Vladar did, call him up already

I really don't want the stink of this season getting into Wolf's game. I think with Wolf it is about what is right for the player, not what's right for the team.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I really don't want the stink of this season getting into Wolf's game. I think with Wolf it is about what is right for the player, not what's right for the team.

Flames have been pretty good lately, they do not give up as much as they did at the start of the season, and Wolf is used to poor defense from Wranglers. Wolf gives Flames the best chance to make playoffs

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Okay, so I actually went to bed when the Flames went up 3-2. I thought they were playing so well that it would be hard to lose that game once they went up in the 3rd with not a lot of time remaining.

I woke up to the prototypical 4-3 Flames OT loss. Heee-####ing-larious.

I cannot wait for this season to end. We are absolutely cursed, and no amount of good play is going to overcome it. Just let the suffering end please...

I hear you. It's tough watching the Flames play these days and some games I don't even watch. This is a season where everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. The talent is there and yet.... Just end the season now.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Further vindication that there's just something off with the goalies. This team has it's issues, but they can certainly play well enough as a collective group to be in the playoffs.

Vladar should be stapled to the bench for the rest of the season - he's been far worse than Markstrom has at any point this year over his last 10 or so games and it seems to be getting worse. If Tre want's to make one deadline move, it should be to call up Wolf and give this team a look with a different backup down the stretch.

How about Markstrom??? Neither goalie has been consistent of late. Each game is a toss of the dice as how each is going to play.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I think most of us can agree that this was the best thing from this game

[GioforPM]

^^ that was great. I also liked a guy (I couldn’t see who) at the end of the bench really talking to Vladar and supporting him after he came out and sat on the bench for the second.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I think most of us can agree that this was the best thing from this game

"See Hubes! just shoot more! Keep on shooting! You'll score 25 this year"

"Shut up kid. Just wait till OT and I'll pass the puck even though the goalie has no stick"

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Again
Just like the Vegas game, I didn’t expect them to get a point
If you look at the remaining games for the flames and everyone else, I don’t think it’s necessary over either

Think they have to go 16-5 or maybe 15-6 down the stretch.

I think they are too inconsistent and their goalies are both hot messes to be able to pull that off.

[Classic_Sniper]

Seeing a lot of “Flames are cursed” posts in here. But really, this isn’t a new or unique problem the Flames are facing, they’ve always had trouble finishing dating back to 2016. I remember this team making 3rd string back ups look like peak Dominic Hasek.

The only difference is we’ve replaced the Michael Frolik’s, Curtis Lazar’s and Joakim Nordstrom’s of the world with players like Blake Coleman and Milan Lucic. Even a guy like Backlund has always had trouble finishing. Lindholm’s sh% is down 4.5% this season and he’s on pace to score just over half of the goals he put up last season. I mean how times did we see him unleash the wicked one timer he has from the slot this season? Barely any and we saw that with regularity last season.

At some point, perhaps the methodology has to be put in to question. Maybe management has put too much focus on the process and not enough on execution. The Flames have been an elite shot generation team for a long time now and yet they’re always in the middle of the pack or below average in the GF department (minus a couple outlier seasons).

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Dion

I hear you. It's tough watching the Flames play these days and some games I don't even watch. This is a season where everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. The talent is there and yet.... Just end the season now.

That’s where I’m at too.

You watch them curb stomp Boston and still find a way to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

I’ve never seen anything quite like this season.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This game was bad for the “sell everything” crowd.

This game?

Dude, they've been playing the same game all year and its going to see them hit the links in April.

So...what? Keep at it?

May as well rehire Gulutzan with that line of thinking.

"Its bound to work eventually! Just keep on keeping on."

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Locke

This game?

Dude, they've been playing the same game all year and its going to see them hit the links in April.

So...what? Keep at it?

May as well rehire Gulutzan with that line of thinking.

"Its bound to work eventually! Just keep on keeping on."

Yeah, this game. They badly outplayed the number one contender and were out-goalied. That doesn’t scream “this team sucks”.

I don’t mind an overhaul, I thought it should have been done two or three years ago. I’m just staying this game isn’t the evidence that tankers were looking for. And it doesn’t send the message to brass that this team has issues that a Markstrom/Vladar rebound or a full season of Wolf won’t cure.

[Dion]

It wasn't that long ago that the Flames owned 3 on 3. Out would go Mony, Johnny and
Gio and the game would be over. Just baffled by Sutters choices to start OT

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, this game. They badly outplayed the number one contender and were out-goalied. That doesn’t scream “this team sucks”.

I don’t mind an overhaul, I thought it should have been done two or three years ago. I’m just staying this game isn’t the evidence that tankers were looking for. And it doesn’t send the message to brass that this team has issues that a Markstrom/Vladar rebound or a full season of Wolf won’t cure.

Yeah it's tough to disaggregate PROCESS vs RESULTS but it's where I struggle with saying this team sucks or has no talent.

The team's process has been pretty much identical to last year when it comes to generation and suppression of shots and the location those shots come from.

But the results from those outcomes this year have sucked.

Some of that might be a lack of talent, a lot of it has been the goalies just not playing up to expectation, but it's tough to say all these players suck.

Unfortunately the Flames seem to run into these types of seasons more than other teams.

Happened in 17/18, happened a bit in 20-21, happened this year in 22/23.

And then also had the seasons where everything went right (in the regular season) in 14/15, 18/19, and 21/22.

Just is what it is in hockey sometimes. Luck plays a factor into both shooting and save percentage and it can be inconsistent.

[2macinnis2]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah it's tough to disaggregate PROCESS vs RESULTS but it's where I struggle with saying this team sucks or has no talent.

The team's process has been pretty much identical to last year when it comes to generation and suppression of shots and the location those shots come from.

But the results from those outcomes this year have sucked.

Some of that might be a lack of talent, a lot of it has been the goalies just not playing up to expectation, but it's tough to say all these players suck.

Unfortunately the Flames seem to run into these types of seasons more than other teams.

Happened in 17/18, happened a bit in 20-21, happened this year in 22/23.

And then also had the seasons where everything went right (in the regular season) in 14/15, 18/19, and 21/22.

Just is what it is in hockey sometimes. Luck plays a factor into both shooting and save percentage and it can be inconsistent.

I made this point a couple years ago. The modern NHL is the major sport in which luck carries the most weight.

I’ve watched a few Bruins games this year and haven’t really understood what their hype is about. It’s impossible to argue with their record, but look at their team save pct too… it’s unreal. And Ulmark is a career journeyman goalie, and it’s not like he isn’t facing grade A chances in some of these games.

To counter my point, you would expect at some point for there to be regression to a mean which we have not yet seen, for either the Flames or the Bruins. Maybe confidence has played a big role in that too though?

It’s hard to envision the Bruins as a top 6 (or maybe even 8) team in the East if they had the Flames goaltending from this year.

[The Fisher Account]

I'd be super embarrassed as an NHL vet for a rookie to be grabbing me like that in order to hype my pouty arse up. But that's just me