[PGT] Markstrom blew it. EDM 3 CGY 2

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

This will undoubtedly be regarded as heresy and I hope I don’t get burned at the virtual stake, but maybe the Oiler defense isn’t as downright terrible as we’ve been saying. They allow a lot of perimeter shots, but maybe that’s on their forwards.

bottom half of the league last year, and again this year, in goals against. Their D is bad.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He didn't misplay the puck - he simply didn't get to it.
The right play is to go and cut it off as he tried to do. But it was a hard enough rim it got past him. And then you have to ask why McDavid beat everyone to a puck.

He needs to do one of two things - either get to the puck in time, or recognize that he can't get to the puck in time and stay in the net. He did neither, and couldn't recover in time to get in position to make the save. It was a misplay. But it was one misplay in an otherwise solid game. I'm not worried about Markstrom.

As for McDavid getting to the puck, he's one of the fastest skaters in the league is he not?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

He needs to do one of two things - either get to the puck in time, or recognize that he can't get to the puck in time and stay in the net. He did neither, and couldn't recover in time to get in position to make the save. It was a misplay. But it was one misplay in an otherwise solid game. I'm not worried about Markstrom.

As for McDavid getting to the puck, he's one of the fastest skaters in the league is he not?

Perfection doesn't happen - he tried, it went through him. It happens.

But where I really disagree with you is the bold - he WAS back in time, and was set to make the save. Unfortunately, it went under his arm and through him.

I don't think the goal had anything to do with the rim around. It simply slipped through him.

[CroFlames]

Mcdavid's career points/game is something like 1.4+. He's going to get his points, it's a matter of fact.

Flames only scored two goals, and therein is the bigger problem IMO.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Perfection doesn't happen - he tried, it went through him. It happens.

But where I really disagree with you is the bold - he WAS back in time, and was set to make the save. Unfortunately, it went under his arm and through him.

I don't think the goal had anything to do with the rim around. It simply slipped through him.

His positioning was a bit off.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Mcdavid's career points/game is something like 1.4+. He's going to get his points, it's a matter of fact.

Flames only scored two goals, and therein is the bigger problem IMO.

You score 2 goals, you lose more often than not.

"It's a 3-2 league".

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

This will undoubtedly be regarded as heresy and I hope I don’t get burned at the virtual stake, but maybe the Oiler defense isn’t as downright terrible as we’ve been saying. They allow a lot of perimeter shots, but maybe that’s on their forwards.

Their D is bad though...look at the numbers

4 posts and some really good goal tending held the Flames to two

[FanIn80]

Oilers just oiled. They hung around and capitalized on our mistakes until McDavid was able to McDavid and then that was the game. It's literally their entire gameplan, and it's a pretty good one when you happen to have a McDavid on your team. Pretty much the only two things in hockey you can count on: McDavid is going to get 100+ points, and opposition teams will make mistakes. Pretty easy to draw that up on the board. There's just one X and one O... the X is McDavid and the O is "let them make mistakes and then high-five McDavid."

I will say that early penalty on Looch was an absolute horsesh#t call if I've ever seen one. The crosscheck call on Backlund was about as weak as I've ever seen, but at least it wasn't fabricated like the call on Looch.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

This will undoubtedly be regarded as heresy and I hope I don’t get burned at the virtual stake, but maybe the Oiler defense isn’t as downright terrible as we’ve been saying. They allow a lot of perimeter shots, but maybe that’s on their forwards.

nah its garb

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

End of the day those tickets get big dollars and go a long way to paying of seasons tickets. If you don't like it then go to more BOA's and buy the tickets before "they" do

I mean, sure, but you know as well as I do that's easier said than done from a province away!

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Things come up, people have to sell tickets. No point in shaming any one for doing what they have to do.

I would think there are more Edmontonians living in Calgary based on migration for jobs than there are Calgrians living in Edmonton.

Have never seen actual facts, but with head offices in Calgary I would guess the impact is double.

More fans of the Oilers that are local than the other way around.

Shaming is probably too harsh, I shouldn't have mentioned that. I still can't believe how it sounded like an Oilers home game at times on TV.

[Radio]

Seems to me the rim was quite high, up around his head or higher. He couldn't get it. McDavid had just come off the bench and was going to where the puck would be if Markstrom missed it. Markstrom was back in time but not completely set, he was still sliding a bit to his left. In real time, it happened bang-bang. Can't fault him for it...if he had been half a second slower probably would have hit him square in the logo.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

yup in retrospect it was just unfortunate . until that point the flames were doing a good job of clogging things up and grinding out shifts at the other end

i think they reacted as a team to that goal and stopped doing the good things they were prior to it . didn't look like they were poised to score another goal in the final 8 minutes because they were firmly in clog up mode and didn't have the offense wheels rolling

rhett said it on barn burner but against edm you probably won't win sitting on a slim lead . you have to keep pouring it on and make that lead as big as you can because mcdavid will chip away at it on his own

[Enoch Root]

the way some talk in this thread, one would think the Oilers must be 82-0 every year, with 6 or 7 consecutive cups

[Kasi]

Or you could say the way some talk in this thread the Flames must have beat the Oilers last year. Except they didn’t and Sutter and the team need to figure out what’s going on in this matchup. Even if it is mostly the Oilers doing their usual PP bull to make up for their weak 5-5 play the reality is they’re still going to get those PP calls. I don’t think the answer is as simple as bench Markstrom for Vladar or find the magic line combination. We can all say the blueprint is don’t get penalties (ha ha even if we don’t they’ll be invented) and play good sound defensive hockey and cave them in 5-5. (until mistakes happen or the Flames stop playing their game like they did last playoffs) But it’s clearly not that easy otherwise we’d have a better record against them.

Edit: totally agree you can’t sit back against this team. You don’t want to play prevent D against a team like a Colorado or Edmonton. You need to keep the puck in their zone as that is the best way of keeping the puck out of the net. Even if you don’t score forcing them to spend energy on defending will help a lot.

[1Nite]

Mouth breather at work, was like, oh mcdavid, only player in the league that could make that perfect shot, Markstrom was helpless, couldn't do anything to stop GOD, Markstrom did not make a mistake.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Or you could say the way some talk in this thread the Flames must have beat the Oilers last year. Except they didn’t and Sutter and the team need to figure out what’s going on in this matchup.

Except, they did. Three times in nine regular season and playoff games—and now once more this season. Certainly, it would be nice if they figure out how to do it more consistently, but it's not like the Flames can't beat the Oilers. They would be 2-0 if not for a few bad breaks on Saturday.

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Or you could say the way some talk in this thread the Flames must have beat the Oilers last year. Except they didn’t and Sutter and the team need to figure out what’s going on in this matchup. Even if it is mostly the Oilers doing their usual PP bull to make up for their weak 5-5 play the reality is they’re still going to get those PP calls. I don’t think the answer is as simple as bench Markstrom for Vladar or find the magic line combination. We can all say the blueprint is don’t get penalties (ha ha even if we don’t they’ll be invented) and play good sound defensive hockey and cave them in 5-5. (until mistakes happen or the Flames stop playing their game like they did last playoffs) But it’s clearly not that easy otherwise we’d have a better record against them.

Edit: totally agree you can’t sit back against this team. You don’t want to play prevent D against a team like a Colorado or Edmonton. You need to keep the puck in their zone as that is the best way of keeping the puck out of the net. Even if you don’t score forcing them to spend energy on defending will help a lot.

And if it was as difficult as you are suggesting, they would be the best team in the league. They aren't. Yes, they beat us in the playoffs last year. Full stop. The Flames have been the better team in the 2 games this year, but with a bit of puck luck on their side, it's 1-1 with 6 goals scored each. Hardly the mountainous hurdle you've been making it out to be.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think this is nonsense. I might agree if Markstrom played poorly, let in an early goal or at any point looked shaky, but he didn't. On the whole, Markstrom had a great game, and he looked poised and confident pretty much from start to finish. The goal scored by McHobo was an unfortunate mistake, but if that same game happened v. ANY other team we would not be talking about Markstrom's lack of confidence, or inability to perform.

I think what is going on is that Markstrom is still getting into form, and it has been exceedingly difficult going this year because of how much layoff there has been for him between games, and because he has yet to play on the road. The schedule has been the culprit behind a lot of the Flames's early kinks, and they cannot get on the road and in a rhythm of playing every second night soon enough. Once they do, then I have no doubt that little mistakes like we saw from Markstrom in the third period will correct themselves.


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Agree to disagree, the soft goals/mental gaffes seem to be more prominent vs that team than any other. I acknowledged he played pretty good Saturday night, but all it takes is one instant of panic or pressure where you don't react appropriately to indicate to me that the opposition can be in your head, especially when it happens over and over. You miss the rim, no big deal, but his reaction and panic to get back into net indicated to me that his behaviour was altered potentially due to the opponent. Goalies missing a dump in happens a million times a game with goalies rushing to get back into the net, you however don't often see a goalie completely scramble past his near post that a shot thats going dead centre net goes in.

I could be reading to much into this, people who don't think this is the case could be correct. However in my eyes, as currently constructed, Markstrom is the biggest question mark as to whether this team could go deep or not. Odds are we will play the Oilers too.

[Kasi]

No team is going to lose all the games against an opponent. Heck Arizona as crappy as they are have beat some decent teams this year. Same for other bottom teams. But I see the Flames main rivals in this division as Vegas and Edmonton. If we want to get to say the conference finals we’re going to have to go through at least one of them. Vegas we’ve done better against lately at least when at home (our road record against them is abysmal) but 3/9 isn’t cutting it against a team with crap defence and a bad bottom six. I think Cecil’s post got to some of it. Either we need our stars to at least get close to their production or we have to play 60 minutes of disciplined hockey where we don’t let up.