[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Tre has been sharp on trading and is going all in. He'd rather have another 1st to get a player. Finally, Monahan has the chance to rebound and has more utility to the Flames. Murray is all about get to the playoffs and see what happens. Why pay more to dump a player that has better chance to contribute

Because even win-now teams have budgets.

[Firebot]

Marleau was traded with a first and a 7th. He also had a 6.25 million cap hit on his last season, but was much more serviceable then Monahan today.

You need to give for a player with negative equity. Monahan was a detriment to our team last year unfortunately, and ate significant cap being on the 4th line.

[Mr.Coffee]

Has this trade actually been announced yet? This seems like a huge delay relative to how these things normally get announced by the media.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why pay more to dump a player that has better chance to contribute

Sorry? I don't think you can convince me that Lucic at 5.25M cap hit (0.8M salary) would cost more to move than Monahan at 6.35M cap hit (6M salary).

Which is why I'm speculating that Monahan being moved is 'interference' because the owners didn't want to spend over 100M this year after signing Kadri on the NHL/AHL roster.

"We'll sign off on Kadri's contract if you find a way to reduce the payroll for the roster this year to under 100M"

Like I'm defending Treliving here because I think his hands were tied by an internal budget. And I'm not blaming the owners for having an internal budget that exceeds the cap either. I think this was just business.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Marleau was traded with a first and a 7th. He also had a 6.25 million cap hit on his last season, but was much more serviceable then Monahan today.

Marleau wasn't more serviceable to Carolina though. He wasn't going to play for Carolina.

He had a NMC, they all agreed (Toronto, Carolina and Marleau) to move Marleau and have him be bought out so he could sign in San Jose. This also came with the 35+ cap hit for Carolina.

[Mr.Coffee]

Keeping Lucic over Monahan improves chances of a cup actually. Monahan won’t get the job done in the playoffs and Lucic intimidation factor is wildly underrated.

[Flamesfan05]

Hope it’s not a 1st

That’s a high price to pay

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Keeping Lucic over Monahan improves chances of a cup actually. Monahan won’t get the job done in the playoffs and Lucic intimidation factor is wildly underrated.

Not really

Lucic provides enforcement but he is the worse hockey player even with the broken Monahan

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Sorry? I don't think you can convince me that Lucic at 5.25M cap hit (0.8M salary) would cost more to move than Monahan at 6.35M cap hit (6M salary).

Which is why I'm speculating that Monahan being moved is 'interference' because the owners didn't want to spend over 100M this year after signing Kadri on the NHL/AHL roster.

"We'll sign off on Kadri's contract if you find a way to reduce the payroll for the roster this year to under 100M"

Like I'm defending Treliving here because I think his hands were tied by an internal budget. And I'm not blaming the owners for having an internal budget that exceeds the cap either. I think this was just business.

Its a good point that 6 million in real $$ means something.

It could be argued investing 6 million into scouting is worth more then a 1st round pick over the long run (Not saying they will invest the $$ but just an example)

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If this is a 1st, just kill me

The caphit isn't for Kadri. It's for Pastrnak..... lol

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Sorry? I don't think you can convince me that Lucic at 5.25M cap hit (0.8M salary) would cost more to move than Monahan at 6.35M cap hit (6M salary).

Which is why I'm speculating that Monahan being moved is 'interference' because the owners didn't want to spend over 100M this year after signing Kadri on the NHL/AHL roster.

"We'll sign off on Kadri's contract if you find a way to reduce the payroll for the roster this year to under 100M"

Like I'm defending Treliving here because I think his hands were tied by an internal budget. And I'm not blaming the owners for having an internal budget that exceeds the cap either. I think this was just business.

I'm assuming that Lucic basically put contenders on his list. He apparently backed out of the Stampede parade cause he was heated about trade rumors and doesn't want to move. I agree Lucic is the easier move to a team that just needs salary.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Hope it’s not a 1st

That’s a high price to pay

If this was just Monahan + 1st for Future Considerations, I feel like the deal would be done by now.

I’m hoping Kadri isn’t the only addition today.

[Ashasx]

nm

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If this was just Monahan + 1st for Future Considerations, I feel like the deal would be done by now.

I’m hoping Kadri isn’t the only addition today.

Montreal needs to clear space to add Monahan. Until thats done the deal in its entirety won't be announced.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Montreal needs to clear space to add Monahan. Until thats done the deal in its entirety won't be announced.

Nah, you can exceed the cap by less than what Monahan would count and they could put him on LTIR because he ended the season with an injury and hasn't been cleared.

There's possibly more to it, or the fax jammed, but I don't think it's because of the cap exceedance.

[Pepper2489]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If this was just Monahan + 1st for Future Considerations, I feel like the deal would be done by now.

I’m hoping Kadri isn’t the only addition today.

It’s going to be Monahan + 1st for future considerations (a draft pick may come back depending on Monahan’s performance).


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[stemit14]

It is taking a long time for the details of this trade to break. Wonder what could be taking so long.

I’m assuming where there is smoke, there’s fire as far as florida’s first round pick going the other way. I guess that’s the cost of offloading cap.

What is Montreal is doing to make cap space for Monahan? They have a few players they would likely want to move but Calgary can’t really take much salary back in the trade… and if they do, that should diminish the return that Montreal gets if the players are more of a cap dump.


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[Toonage]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Nah, you can exceed the cap by less than what Monahan would count and they could put him on LTIR because he ended the season with an injury and hasn't been cleared.

There's possibly more to it, or the fax jammed, but I don't think it's because of the cap exceedance.

Why wouldn't Calgary save the pick and LTIR Monahan then?

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Why wouldn't Calgary save the pick and LTIR Monahan then?

They said he would be healthy by pre-season and you need medical evidence that he wasn’t healthy to put him on LTIR.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

They said he would be healthy by pre-season and you need medical evidence that he wasn’t healthy to put him on LTIR.

My reply is to the individual who suggested that Montreal would do just that.