11-23-2021, 11:35 AM
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#341
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101
Quite frankly it's because we've seen how long other repairs take, or how long it takes to build something in North America. I'm still shocked we were able to get this done that fast. Now imagine building an overpass that requires the same amount of dirt moved on flat prairie, but told it has to take 1.5 years.
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I think that a lot of that is because they're keeping traffic flowing while they do that work. Without that, it's got to cut that down by at least half, but no one would tolerate them just closing the road entirely to make that work.
And of course, the other factor here is that this was/is an absolute top priority. Crews were working 24/7 here because of the sheer importance of the railway. That's not the case for a suburban overpass, for example.
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11-23-2021, 11:51 AM
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#342
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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emergency repairs to critical infrastructure = / = standard construction projects.
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11-23-2021, 12:04 PM
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#343
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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Canadian National Railway says it plans to restore "limited'' service on washed-out tracks in southern British Columbia on Wednesday after flooding and mudslides cut vital supply links.
The railroad operator says the corridor between Vancouver and Kamloops, B.C., will reopen to some traffic early Wednesday, "barring any unforeseen issues.''
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...259531?cmp=rss
Crazy fast progress. Hope the rains coming this week are light...
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11-23-2021, 12:42 PM
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#344
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sadly not in the Dome.
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11-23-2021, 12:51 PM
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#345
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
emergency repairs to critical infrastructure = / = standard construction projects.
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The other thing is that the temporary repair likely doesn’t have the same resilience to 100 yr events that a permanent design has. It’s likely designed as a fix that requires frequent monitoring and maintenance as things settle and change.
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11-23-2021, 01:30 PM
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#346
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Kelowna, BC
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Originally Posted by Mazrim
It seems pretty unlikely that they'll be doing environmental assessments in these emergency conditions. A simple risk analysis will tell you the economic impact of doing things the usual or even the expedited way for enviro stuff will excessively impact the entire BC economy more than any impacts their work would have on any flora and fauna there, especially considering we're into the winter months.
I say this in general and not to you specifically, but some of the speculation of how long things take to repair on social media is really leading to some panic and hysteria from those who don't know enough about the situation. Trying to quash the disinformation about how these emergency repairs usually go would go a long way in calming some nerves out there, but that's probably a full time job at this point.
There's nothing wrong with discussing it here in a sensible manner, but as an example I was chatting with my parents who were getting concerned they wouldn't be able to travel from the Okanagan to the Lower Mainland for general travel "until late 2022" which apparently someone had claimed on Facebook. This is the telephone game in action: one person says it's hard to fix these things, another person takes that and says it'll be months before anyone can drive there, another sees a couple pictures out of context and says years, and so on, and suddenly the story morphs into a beast that causes panic or despair.
The same story says the road reopened 4 hours later, which is really good. This will probably be a regular issue for the immediate future and probably not unexpected.
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they probably live in the mission area of kelowna and have noticed that after over a year the city finally finished work on this small bridge....
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.8175...7i13312!8i6656
and it wasn't for lack of man power at the work site - there were always dozens of people there... they never seemed to be doing anything, but they were there in their hi-vis vests!
at the city of kelowna's pace, they'd be lucky if it was 2030! 
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11-23-2021, 01:59 PM
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#347
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sunnyvale nursing home
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Originally Posted by Mazrim
There's nothing wrong with discussing it here in a sensible manner, but as an example I was chatting with my parents who were getting concerned they wouldn't be able to travel from the Okanagan to the Lower Mainland for general travel "until late 2022" which apparently someone had claimed on Facebook. This is the telephone game in action: one person says it's hard to fix these things, another person takes that and says it'll be months before anyone can drive there, another sees a couple pictures out of context and says years, and so on, and suddenly the story morphs into a beast that causes panic or despair.
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Is highway 99 open now? If so, isn't it already technically possible to drive from Kelowna to Vancouver?
My youngest wants to go to UBC in the fall. The question I have is not whether I will be able to drive there, but how long until it returns to being a comfortable one-day drive from Calgary?
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11-23-2021, 02:05 PM
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#348
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CP Gamemaster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Gary
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Originally Posted by GGG
The other thing is that the temporary repair likely doesn’t have the same resilience to 100 yr events that a permanent design has. It’s likely designed as a fix that requires frequent monitoring and maintenance as things settle and change.
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Most if not all the emergency fixes will get redone to the usual standards after things calm down. It's a pretty standard procedure.
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Originally Posted by Nancy
Is highway 99 open now? If so, isn't it already technically possible to drive from Kelowna to Vancouver?
My youngest wants to go to UBC in the fall. The question I have is not whether I will be able to drive there, but how long until it returns to being a comfortable one-day drive from Calgary?
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Highway 99 is only open to essential travel last I read. I think we're past fall already, but if went through the US you could make it there in a day if you pushed hard.
Last edited by Mazrim; 11-23-2021 at 02:11 PM.
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11-25-2021, 03:45 PM
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#350
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Ugh, my brother in law has gone so far into the bat crazy conspiracies since Covid started, but I really didn't think he would jump on the chemtrails and HAARP crap. Getting messages about how this storm and the one upcoming this weekend are from deliberate cloud seeding using HAARP to destroy supply lines and reduce freedoms even more. Also that the bridges on the coq were deliberately blown up. I can't handle it, I was at my wits end with his covid conspiracies but this is just jumping to a reality I cannot even emphasize with.
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11-25-2021, 04:06 PM
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#351
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by J epworth
Ugh, my brother in law has gone so far into the bat crazy conspiracies since Covid started, but I really didn't think he would jump on the chemtrails and HAARP crap. Getting messages about how this storm and the one upcoming this weekend are from deliberate cloud seeding using HAARP to destroy supply lines and reduce freedoms even more. Also that the bridges on the coq were deliberately blown up. I can't handle it, I was at my wits end with his covid conspiracies but this is just jumping to a reality I cannot even emphasize with.
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well my crazy aunt is on my ignore list, because she is usually at the tip of this spear, so you made go check, but it seems like your brother in law is ahead of her on this one. I look forward to PMs from her in the near future about false flag bridge destruction.
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11-25-2021, 04:43 PM
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#352
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Originally Posted by J epworth
Ugh, my brother in law has gone so far into the bat crazy conspiracies since Covid started, but I really didn't think he would jump on the chemtrails and HAARP crap. Getting messages about how this storm and the one upcoming this weekend are from deliberate cloud seeding using HAARP to destroy supply lines and reduce freedoms even more. Also that the bridges on the coq were deliberately blown up. I can't handle it, I was at my wits end with his covid conspiracies but this is just jumping to a reality I cannot even emphasize with.
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He needs help. It can't be healthy being that far detached from reality.
On a positive note, Highway 1 by Abbotsford opened up this afternoon.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1463990896567861266
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11-25-2021, 04:48 PM
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#353
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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New flood warnings issued for the LML and parts of the southern interior.
http://bcrfc.env.gov.bc.ca/warnings/index.htm
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11-25-2021, 05:15 PM
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#354
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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Quote:
Originally Posted by J epworth
Ugh, my brother in law has gone so far into the bat crazy conspiracies since Covid started, but I really didn't think he would jump on the chemtrails and HAARP crap. Getting messages about how this storm and the one upcoming this weekend are from deliberate cloud seeding using HAARP to destroy supply lines and reduce freedoms even more. Also that the bridges on the coq were deliberately blown up. I can't handle it, I was at my wits end with his covid conspiracies but this is just jumping to a reality I cannot even emphasize with.
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He's actually mentally ill at this point, which kind of makes it easier to handle, if he tries to engage with you just smile, ignore the conversation entirely and say
'you know this is an indication you are having a breakdown right?'
and when he protests and calls you a sheeple again you smile and say
'I love you dearly man but you are suffering from a mental health issue, happy to help you find a doctor when you realise it but in the meantime I'm really not interested in engaging in a clearly delusional thought process, how about those Flames though eh?'
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11-25-2021, 06:44 PM
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#356
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Lifetime Suspension
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Don't know how thats possible but we'll take it.
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11-25-2021, 07:05 PM
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#357
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
He's actually mentally ill at this point, which kind of makes it easier to handle, if he tries to engage with you just smile, ignore the conversation entirely and say
'you know this is an indication you are having a breakdown right?'
and when he protests and calls you a sheeple again you smile and say
'I love you dearly man but you are suffering from a mental health issue, happy to help you find a doctor when you realise it but in the meantime I'm really not interested in engaging in a clearly delusional thought process, how about those Flames though eh?'
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Man it’s so tough, I am a family doc so I just want to help him but he thinks I’m just indoctrinated at this point. I just can’t believe this weather manipulation crap that is coming in now, reading up on the history of it so I can be knowledable and it’s just so bat**** mental gymnastics
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11-25-2021, 07:08 PM
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#358
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by J epworth
Man it’s so tough, I am a family doc so I just want to help him but he thinks I’m just indoctrinated at this point. I just can’t believe this weather manipulation crap that is coming in now, reading up on the history of it so I can be knowledable and it’s just so bat**** mental gymnastics
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Ugh that’s hard to navigate and tolerate. Sorry about your situation.
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11-25-2021, 07:35 PM
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#359
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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Originally Posted by J epworth
Man it’s so tough, I am a family doc so I just want to help him but he thinks I’m just indoctrinated at this point. I just can’t believe this weather manipulation crap that is coming in now, reading up on the history of it so I can be knowledable and it’s just so bat**** mental gymnastics
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delusional thinking is so hard to deal with, I use humour a lot, arguing against the idea is impossible because it plays into their paranoia, gentle pocking fun at the whole idea works well but only if I know they like me and kind of respect me (mostly we're talking my foster kids here), I remember a kid ranting at me about cell phones monitering his every thought, I just kept nodding in agreement while I got out the tinfoil and made him a tinfoil hat, at which point we both started laughing and I pointed out that the only thoughts he had were about how to get weed which weren't a lot of use in the lizard peoples plans for world domination
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11-26-2021, 08:09 AM
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#360
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/tranbc...h/51704183872/
The shots of highway 8 about 15 pictures down are crazy. I wonder what they even do there...
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