Escalating Tensions in Palestinian Territories

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I would, because it's a dangerous slope otherwise. Again then any rulling that someone doesn't agree with can be circumvented with enough violence. Is that something that I would want? probably not.

Are Palestinians living in refugee camps allowed to go to court and evict Jewish settlers, how does that slippery slope play out?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Envitro

OK, I can tell you why the court decided to evict those families.
Because they were living there for free for decades, even though it was owned by Jewish families since the 1800's. Jordan has provided records for the court proving the case of Jewish ownership of the houses in question, and the Israeli court gave the Palestinian occupants an opportunity to stay and pay rent, and they outright refused to. So they ordered an eviction.

If this happened in Calgary (obviously not the same kind of acrimonious history here), would you start a war over families being evicted from houses that they don't own and refuse to pay rent on??

This is an oversimplication, as it is important to note that these Palestinians living there were displaced in 1948, are not afforded the legal right to claim their pre-1948 property in Israel, and this law only applies because Israel annexed this area which is not legally recognised internationally.

This would be entirely different if these people were afforded the same legal opportunity to present claims of ownership for their previous homes, but this is an opportunity afforded only to Israelis. That’s why it’s an issue. They should be have the same rights.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Are Palestinians living in refugee camps allowed to go to court and evict Jewish settlers, how does that slippery slope play out?

It plays out that any decision the Hamas(not the Palestinians) doesn't like would threaten war. If those people are living in Israel, they have the right to go to court...


If that person legally lives in Israel he has the right to evict Jewish settlers from his property. You are mixing land disputes between nations and between people.

[gvitaly]

The same way, if you bought a house apartment in Israel right now and rented it, you would be able to sue/evict the tenets if they weren't paying you rent.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

It plays out that any decision the Hamas(not the Palestinians) doesn't like would threaten war. If those people are living in Israel, they have the right to go to court...


If that person legally lives in Israel he has the right to evict Jewish settlers from his property. You are mixing land disputes between nations and between people.

So an Israeli can go to court and evict an Arab family in the west bank but an Arab living in the West Bank cant go to court because they aren't living in Israel? convenient

[Jeff Lebowski]

Sheikh Jarrah, the Palestinian neighbourhood in occupied East Jerusalem facing imminent Israeli eviction, was once a breezy orchard lying less than a kilometre north of the ancient walls of Jerusalem’s Old City.

In the early 20th century, wealthy Palestinian families moved to build modern houses in the area, escaping the narrow streets and the hustle and bustle of their air-tight homes in the Old City.

The neighbourhood's name refers to the personal physician of the Islamic general Saladin, who is believed to have settled there when Muslim armies captured the city from Christian crusaders in 1187.

Refugees from Palestine 1948
In 1956, 28 Palestinian families settled in the neighbourhood. Those families were part of a wider population of 750,000 forcibly expelled by Zionist militias during the 1948 war - known to Palestinians as the Nakba, or "catastrophe" - from the Arab towns and cities that became Israel.

East Jerusalem was administered by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, which governed the West Bank. Jordan had built houses for the 28 Palestinian families in 1956 with the approval of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA.

In the 1960s, the families agreed a deal with the Jordanian government that would make them the owners of the land and houses, receiving official land deeds signed in their names after three years. In return, they would renounce their refugee status.

However, the deal was cut short as Israel captured and illegally occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and Jordan lost control of the territories.

Currently, there are 38 Palestinian families living in Sheikh Jarrah, four of them facing imminent eviction, while three are expected to be removed on 1 August.

The rest are in different stages of court cases, going head-to-head with powerful Israeli settler groups in Israeli courts.

Jerusalem's 'Holy Basin'
Since Israel seized East Jerusalem in the 1967 war, Israeli settler organisations have claimed ownership of the land in Sheikh Jarrah and have filed multiple successful lawsuits to evict Palestinians from the neighbourhood.

Two settler groups filed lawsuits saying that Sephardic Jews owned the land in 1885, during Ottoman rule, which ended in 1917.

Israelis have made similar claims to owning Palestinian lands that lie less than a kilometre away from the Old City of Jerusalem.

Israel has a grand settlement strategy called the "Holy Basin," which is a set of settler units and a string of parks themed after biblical places and figures around the Old City of Jerusalem. The plan requires the removal of Palestinian houses in the area.

In November, an Israeli court ratified the eviction of 87 Palestinians from the Batan al-Hawa area in Silwan, south of Al-Aqsa mosque, in favour of the Israeli settler group Ateret Cohanim.

This group, which aims to expand the presence of settlers inside Palestinian neighbourhoods of East Jerusalem and around and inside the Old City, had sued the residents of Batan al-Hawa, claiming that the land was owned by Yemeni Jews during the Ottoman period until 1938, when the British Mandate moved them due to political tensions.

Israeli law works in favour of settlers by allowing only Jews to claim property they claim they have owned prior to 1948 while denying the same right to Palestinians.

Owners turned tenants
On Sunday, Israel’s Supreme Court ordered that the Iskafi, Kurd, Jaanoi and Qassem families - consisting of 30 adults and 10 children - evacuate their homes by 6 May. These families have been shunted around the courts for almost four years.

The court gave the Hammad, Dagani and Daoudi families living in the same area until 1 August to evacuate.

In 1982, Israeli settler groups asked the court to evict 24 Palestinian families living in Shiekh Jarrah. In 1991, the families faced another twist when they accused their Israeli lawyer and legal representative of forging their signatures on documents in 1991 stating that the ownership of the lands belonged to the settlers.

Since then, Palestinian residents of Sheikh Jarrah had been treated as tenants in front of the Israel courts, facing removal orders to allow the way for settlers to take over their houses.

In 2005, the Israeli court dismissed Ottoman documents presented by Suleiman Darwish Hijazi, one of the residents of Sheikh Jarrah, as evidence of his ownership of the land.

In 2002, 43 Palestinians were evicted from the area and Israeli settlers took over their properties. In 2008, the al-Kurd family was removed, and in 2009, the Hanoun and Ghawi families were evicted and in 2017 the Shamasneh family was also removed from their home by Israeli settlers.

Palestinians had called for Jordan to release official papers and documents to prove their ownership. In April, Jordanian Minister of Foreign Affairs Ayman Safadi handed over documents proving Palestinian ownership of their properties in Sheikh Jarrah, in a bid to prevent a new mass eviction.

Last week, the Jordanian government ratified 14 agreement from the 1960s with Palestinian families in Shiekh Jarrah to strengthen their position against Israeli courts.

Since the beginning of 2020, Israeli courts have ordered the eviction of 13 Palestinian families in Sheikh Jarrah.

The area became a focal point of protest and sit in solidarity activities, drawing in Palestinian and anti-occupation Israeli and international activists.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...tion-explained

[81MC]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

would you evict them if you knew it might cause a war and would certainly get people killed?

FWIW, that’s a really, really poor way to gauge action. If those midfield heights residents would have thrown a few more molotovs, we should have let them stay?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by 81MC

FWIW, that’s a really, really poor way to gauge action. If those midfield heights residents would have thrown a few more molotovs, we should have let them stay?

That's how we do things all the time, yes we could run that freeway right through the rez but we aint going to because it will cause way to many issues

[fulham]

We need to send SBC back broker peace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-WllKtiMvU

[Manhattanboy]

Every time Hamas launches a rocket into an Israeli city I would prefer the IDF take out a government building in Tehran.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Every time Hamas launches a rocket into an Israeli city I would prefer the IDF take out a government building in Tehran.

That would be a fun way to start World War 3!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hamas constantly launches rockets at Israel. Since 2003, Hamas has fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Last year was fairly light with only 70 rockets and dozens of balloon explosives sent into Israel. The constant attacks are one of the reasons Israel justifies the blockade on Gaza and the occupation of the West Bank.

I am not taking sides, I think both or deplorable, but this has been tit-for-tat for a long time.

Hamas rockets have also killed several Palestinians over the years because their accuracy sucks.

I disagree on tit-for-tat

If the response from Israel was proportionate, then maybe it would be tit-for-tat

[TheIronMaiden]

I am no expert but from what I have gleaned from the last two weeks of discourse is that 60% of this conflict is about revenge porn.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by _Q_

That would be a fun way to start World War 3!

Should have used the green font.

It is interesting how quiet Iran has been lately, but the rhetoric out of Turkey, a former ally of Israel, has been extreme.

[Firebot]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...-east-57168671

"The president conveyed to the prime minister that he expected a significant de-escalation today on the path to a ceasefire," the readout concluded.

Earlier Netanyahu said the Israeli military was "taking care of objectives", adding "we're not standing with a stopwatch".

Even Biden is losing his patience with Israel.

I think the intel on the Al-Jazeera building bombing is not looking too good for Israel (we would have heard of something by now), and Israel's aggression has been disproportionate and at times unprovoked.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Should have used the green font.

It is interesting how quiet Iran has been lately, but the rhetoric out of Turkey, a former ally of Israel, has been extreme.

Iran, generally, is not allowing mass demonstrations. In the past, you would have seen huge rallies in Iran, many encouraged and even aided by the government.

Throughout 2019 to now, demonstrations in Iran, that have started over relatively minor things like gasoline prices, have turned into anti-government riots. Typically, the sentiment turns from grievances about economic conditions towards protest against the luxuries that the elite in Iran are enjoying. It's not a huge leap in logic to make a negative association between the elite and the lack of action in Israel/Palestine. All it would take is for the Iranian forces to kill one pro-Palestinian protestor to set off a powder keg.

[Manhattanboy]

Some may consider this off-topic but as usual Rex Murphy is at his eloquent best:

Anti-Semitism's Vile, Unending Hatred Never Ceases to Smoulder

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex...es-to-smoulder

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Even Biden is losing his patience with Israel.

I think the intel on the Al-Jazeera building bombing is not looking too good for Israel (we would have heard of something by now), and Israel's aggression has been disproportionate and at times unprovoked.

"Israel's aggression" & "unprovoked"

Wasn't aware that because you, random internetter in Canada, have not been briefed on the top secret intel reports from Mossad on that specific attack, that it must have been an attack simply on the foreign press? Noted, I'll be sure to check in to understand Hamas' movements before passing judgement on the next strike.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Some may consider this off-topic but as usual Rex Murphy is at his eloquent best:

Anti-Semitism's Vile, Unending Hatred Never Ceases to Smoulder

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex...es-to-smoulder

That was laughably bad, even for Rex Murphy.

[pepper24]

More than 100 tickets to be issued for weekend car rally https://newsroom.calgary.ca/more-tha...end-car-rally/

CPS issuing tickets for pro-Hamas rally on weekend