[OOT] Tom Wilson tries to hurt players, once again

[FanIn80]

Maybe if Mantha would have gotten a penalty for one of his 17 slashes to Buchnevich's nuts, Buchnevich wouldn't have felt like he had to take matters into his own hands to get it to stop.

Poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke

PUNCH

OMG why did you punch him like that? Now I have to suspend you!

[dammage79]

I'm surprised actually because Panarin is one of the stars of the league and the league very much frowns upon that kind of physical manhandling of their top players. 5k fine to ragdoll a league wide star? Thats not a very strong message.

But good on the Rangers for calling out the league. 250k fine doesn't even register to the Rangers. It's such a small amount of money to them.

I do think though they will review Parros role within Dops.

[OldDutch]

Parros should go. The equally meaningless but skirt controversy move would be suspend to playoffs. It was so obvious yet missed.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm surprised actually because Panarin is one of the stars of the league and the league very much frowns upon that kind of physical manhandling of their top players.

Since when has the league ever cared about protecting its stars?

Last time Oilers faced Anaheim in the playoffs, Kesler rode McDavid up and down the ice constantly pulling garbage and never got called.

And if you are biased against the Oilers and want to disregard that, just remember the time that Minnesota slashed Johnny with impunity until they broke his hand.

The NHL cares nothing about protecting its stars, and constantly gives leash to predatory players.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Parros should go. The equally meaningless but skirt controversy move would be suspend to playoffs. It was so obvious yet missed.

Ok hang on. Whoa whoa whoa. Time out.

There's a skirt controversy?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Since when has the league ever cared about protecting its stars?

Last time Oilers faced Anaheim in the playoffs, Kesler rode McDavid up and down the ice constantly pulling garbage and never got called.

And if you are biased against the Oilers and want to disregard that, just remember the time that Minnesota slashed Johnny with impunity until they broke his hand.

The NHL cares nothing about protecting its stars, and constantly gives leash to predatory players.

The NHL introduced a new focus on slashing the hands and stick in the off-season because of what happened to Johnny. Also, Oiler fans cry murder anytime someone breathes on McDavid, so it's hard to take that seriously.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Red

Kassian on Tkachuk. There are many more.


1 game and people would still be crying that its not enough.

Right. You're missing the distinction of super star player.... They have nearly always gone untouched by goons in scrums like this. Tkachuk is not a super star player, he's an agitator that starts and gets into scums all the time. Completely irrelevant to this discussion regarding Panarin.



Wilson has zero respect for the game and its players.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Since when has the league ever cared about protecting its stars?

Last time Oilers faced Anaheim in the playoffs, Kesler rode McDavid up and down the ice constantly pulling garbage and never got called.

And if you are biased against the Oilers and want to disregard that, just remember the time that Minnesota slashed Johnny with impunity until they broke his hand.

The NHL cares nothing about protecting its stars, and constantly gives leash to predatory players.

I'd love to see the NHL crack down on garbage.......

[Red]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nothing to do with who the other guy was. Could've been some no-name pest instead of Panarin for all anyone cares. And the only reason why it matters it was Wilson is because he's a repeat offender. It could have been any repeat offender with a reputation for being a #### and endangering other players, it doesn't matter.

You can keep chalking it up to drama queens if you want but it doesn't make your post look measured or unemotional and fact-based. It makes it look childish.

So it's ok to suspend a repeat offender for non suspend-able offenses? He punched a guy, dirty play for sure, but suspension would be a stretch. A lengthy one would be a joke.

If he elbows a guy in to next week then sure, get him out for 20-40 games. But this?

What were the most dangerous incidents this season? How does this compare? This hoopla from the NYR over this was so over the top, just idiotic.

The fans here are acting like it was a Bertuzzi incident all over again.

BTW, isnt that following the same script? Star gets hit/punched (is he though?). Team gets upset. The organization goes bonkers. Next game, settling down scores. Besides some normal fights we have a guy that feeds another one a stick to the head.

Now just imagine if he landed it differently and hurt Mantha.

But that's ok, cause he is Russian and probably a skill guy. Never mind the guy is huge and a fighter.

A Tom Wilson in the making maybe? Big power forward?

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Red

Now just imagine if he landed it differently and hurt Mantha.

Does the "what if" game only apply to the retaliation? LOL

[Red]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Right. You're missing the distinction of super star player.... They have nearly always gone untouched by goons in scrums like this. Tkachuk is not a super star player, he's an agitator that starts and gets into scums all the time. Completely irrelevant to this discussion regarding Panarin.



Wilson has zero respect for the game and its players.

He was at the time. He was our most valuable player.

[Red]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Does the "what if" game only apply to the retaliation? LOL

How did Buchnevich come out of that vicious attack? Nothing to see, right?

Have to add this since it's just so idiotic. It's ok to feed a guy lumber if the guy doesnt get injured?
Is it ok to kick a guy with your skate if it happens to hit the hard part of the helmet?

Wow, way to prove a point pal.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Red

So it's ok to suspend a repeat offender for non suspend-able offenses? He punched a guy, dirty play for sure, but suspension would be a stretch. A lengthy one would be a joke.

If he elbows a guy in to next week then sure, get him out for 20-40 games. But this?

What were the most dangerous incidents this season? How does this compare? This hoopla from the NYR over this was so over the top, just idiotic.

The fans here are acting like it was a Bertuzzi incident all over again.

BTW, isnt that following the same script? Star gets hit/punched (is he though?). Team gets upset. The organization goes bonkers. Next game, settling down scores. Besides some normal fights we have a guy that feeds another one a stick to the head.

Now just imagine if he landed it differently and hurt Mantha.

But that's ok, cause he is Russian and probably a skill guy. Never mind the guy is huge and a fighter.

A Tom Wilson in the making maybe? Big power forward?

Imagine if Panarin landed differently and Tom Wilson broke his neck. Imagine if he hit head even worse and Wilson ended his career thanks to ensuing concussion issues. If you want to use your imagination, use it.

Whether or not you agree with what a suspendable offence is, what Wilson did IS a suspendable offence, because players have been suspended for less before.

You think anyone would disagree with Buch getting a suspension if it didn't come right after Wilson completely deserving one and not getting a fine? Of course not, it's a suspendable offence, so he should be suspended. But now the NHL and especially the DOPS looks like a joke whether they suspend him or not, because they either don't suspend a guy who deserves it AGAIN, or they do suspend a guy after letting a repeat offender get a pass.

A lot of this would be solved if you just watched the video, or, I guess, understood what a suspendable offence is and the implications repeat offender has on suspensions.

The precedent has been set. Looking at the situation, previous situations like it, and Wilson's history, he objectively warranted a suspension. That's fact. It's great you don't think so, Parros didn't think so too, it's great you want to debate it like there's some "other side" to it, but it doesn't matter. And that's why the NHL looks bush-league.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The NHL introduced a new focus on slashing the hands and stick in the off-season because of what happened to Johnny. Also, Oiler fans cry murder anytime someone breathes on McDavid, so it's hard to take that seriously.

We will see if there is any significant change. I doubt it. Stuff like holding and interference is way up in the last few years.

Penalty calls are at all time lows.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

We will see if there is any significant change. I doubt it. Stuff like holding and interference is way up in the last few years.

Penalty calls are at all time lows.

Frankly I like a little clutching and grabbing.

I think slashes should be called a lot more, but the odd hook or grab should be let go more.

[undercoverbrother]

Buchnevich gone 1 game suspension

[Red]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Imagine if Panarin landed differently and Tom Wilson broke his neck. Imagine if he hit head even worse and Wilson ended his career thanks to ensuing concussion issues. If you want to use your imagination, use it.

Whether or not you agree with what a suspendable offence is, what Wilson did IS a suspendable offence, because players have been suspended for less before.

You think anyone would disagree with Buch getting a suspension if it didn't come right after Wilson completely deserving one and not getting a fine? Of course not, it's a suspendable offence, so he should be suspended. But now the NHL and especially the DOPS looks like a joke whether they suspend him or not, because they either don't suspend a guy who deserves it AGAIN, or they do suspend a guy after letting a repeat offender get a pass.

A lot of this would be solved if you just watched the video, or, I guess, understood what a suspendable offence is and the implications repeat offender has on suspensions.

The precedent has been set. Looking at the situation, previous situations like it, and Wilson's history, he objectively warranted a suspension. That's fact. It's great you don't think so, Parros didn't think so too, it's great you want to debate it like there's some "other side" to it, but it doesn't matter. And that's why the NHL looks bush-league.

Every hit, push, punch etc can result in an injury. But we don't suspend players for 99% of them.

No, no one gets suspended for fighting off a guy that attacked you. Like it or not, Panarin attacked Wilson, not the other way around. These usually end up in coincidental minors.

The punch to Buchnevich, sure, maybe a game suspension could have been justified, but only because of Wilson's rep. If Panarin did that to one of Washington guys he would get nothing. A 2 minute minor.

So no, these events were not in any way clearly suspendable. They were roughing penalties.

If you look at the 3 events of note it's pretty clear who the worst offender here is.

Punch to the head. Routine play in the NHL. Typically a roughing minor.
Fighting off a guy that jumped you by throwing him down. Typically coincidental minors.
Hitting a guy in the head with his stick during an altercation. A suspension, all day long.

[dobbles]

red, you gotta get over this 'jump other players from behind' crap. its a terrible f&*%ing take. Full stop.

Watch the video. While Panarin absolutely does contact him from behind, he is in contact with Wilson for a full 5 seconds before getting tossed, which means this was not some sort of instinctual reaction. additionally, watch closely, i challenge you to find even one frame where you can see Panarin attempt to hit or grab at Wilson in anything other than a hug restraint. I saw none.

What I did see what a player attempting to slow down the scrum and then getting tossed around for it. One player is a skill player not regularly in scrums or fights and the other has a history of out of bounds play. Yet, you are going to keep going on and on with your jumped from behind BS?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Red

No, no one gets suspended for fighting off a guy that attacked you. Like it or not, Panarin attacked Wilson, not the other way around. These usually end up in coincidental minors.

The punch to Buchnevich, sure, maybe a game suspension could have been justified, but only because of Wilson's rep.

Yes… this is the basis of the entire conversation.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yes… this is the basis of the entire conversation.

Suspend for everything, no matter how minor. That's the feeling I get here.