[PGT] Jets 3 Flames 2

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They went back to Gaudreau on the left and Lindholm on the right. Even when they did connect passes (which was rare today) they weren't in position to shoot, and just kept passing. Just mind boggling that they don't play their off wings.

Yeah, it worked in game 1. Negative coaching adjustment

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames need to have a new 4th line next game, it’s hurting them at 5v5.

Through 2 Games at 5v5:

1st line (Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm)
CF%: 66.7%
xGF%: 67.1%
GF: 1
GA: 0

So through 2 games they haven’t been great by the eye test, but they’ve controlled play at 5v5 and chipped in with a ES goal and a PP goal.

2nd Line (Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane)
CF%: 50%
xGF%: 45.9%
GF: 0
GA: 1

This line has not been themselves, and have struggled to maintain offensive possession.

3rd Line (Lucic - Bennett - Dube)

CF%: 48.3%
xGF%: 50.0%
GF: 1
GA: 1

Third line has brought energy and some grit, they’ve been fine so far but need to tighten up penalties.

4th Line: Rinaldo- Ryan-Reider

CF%: 28.6%
xGF%: 24%
GF: 0
GA: 1

Barf, 4th line has been bad and Rinaldo shouldn’t play another shift this series.



The one thing being overlooked is the Jets top 6 has also been held to no goals for at 5v5 so far this series. It’s been the Lowry line that’s hurt our bottom 6.

Flames need to look at a different lineup tomorrow. Jets will have last change so won’t be able to get favourable matchups for our top line, and 4th line could be bullied.

Rinaldo is not a NHL player. Puzzling what they think he brings in a series like this. They will never try Czarnik, but that is who I would put on that line.

[JohnnyB]

I think the fact that Winnipeg isn't a strong team and the Flames still have the advantage is part of what's dispiriting. As has been mentioned, they lack killer instinct and they lack will to win. They may yet put this depleted Jets team to bed, but all that does is put them in against a better team in a seven game series where they likely get tossed easily.

It's like a two man race, where their man has had his foot cut off and our man keeps tripping on his own shoelaces, stopping to smell the daisies, watching clouds and taking naps. Our man may win, but he's dispiriting to cheer for.

[calgarygringo]

Not their best game and all the rest but I have said before this team has not got that killer instinct and has not for a long time. With Winnipeg's injuries you would think they would come out the gate and go for the kill with the injured opposition. But no like many other times we get beat by teams like this and we dont look sharp. Leadership maybe, a few wrong players I am not sure but with this current group as good as some are until we go for the kill and have killer instinct we will never get far.

[Teroy]

Another year of mediocracy. Same old, same old. Time to make a major shake up. Defence was lousy, effort was not there and some of the players on the ice should have been benched or sitting in the press box. Another disappointing year shaping up.

[SuperMatt18]

Let’s look at our d-pairings after 2 games as well:

Gio-Brodie
CF%: 41.0%
xGF%: 41.0%
GF: 0
GA: 2

I’ve actually liked Brodie’s game but Gio has been a turnover machine. He needs to find his game quickly. A bit muddy as well since they’ve been paired up with the 4th line when they’ve been on the ice.

Anderson-Hanifin
CF%: 58.8%
xGF%: 64.7
GF: 1
GA: 1

Shift to shift Andersson has probably been our most consistent and best player so far this series.

Gustaffson-Forbort
CF%: 46.4%
xGF%: 41.3%
GF: 0
GA: 0

They’ve been okay I’ve thought for a third pairing and Forborts been great on the PK.

[ComixZone]

I thought Andersson and Brodie were our two best defenders in the Avs series as well, good to see Andersson getting it done again this go round.

[SuperMatt18]

Biggest concern though after two games is the teams inability to get to dangerous scoring areas.

CF%: 48.4% (62 For, 66 Against)
SF%: 56.2 % (41 for, 32 against)
xGF%: 47.8% (2.4 for, 2.8 against)
GF: 2
GA: 3

So pretty even overall by those measures.

But Flames have just been able to get to the “home plate” for high danger chances.

HDCF%: 27.8%
HDCF: 5
HDCA: 13

That needs to turn around in a hurry if they want to win this series.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'm loving the hockey (I've watched everything possible so far).

It is hard to analyze today's game without it becoming a bigger conversation, because the reasons why we lost today are what a lot of us think are the issues with the team as a whole. Our best players failed to show up during a fast, hard-checking game again.

Johnny Gaudreau didn't just have an off-game, he was bad. He contributed to the loss. Ditto with Sean Monahan, Matthew Tkachuk and Mark Giordano. The powerplay was inexcusably lazy. I think our PP strategy is complete trash, but the lazy entries and the lack of effort in battling along the boards would make a good strategy look bad. 0/6 on the PP in a playoff game? You can't do that and think you're going to win.

The problem is that the players are lazy. So you have trouble gaining the zone with speed, you have trouble winning board battles and you have trouble moving the puck when open players refuse to skate to get open. Nobody skates. Nobody moves their feet.

So either the coaches are telling them to stand still (they aren’t) or the players are lazy (they are).

The problem with playoff intensity for Gaudreau and Monahan in particular is that intensity goes up. And they wilt because they refuse to engage because they are lazy, from what I can tell. Otherwise I have no idea. Afraid? Who knows, but all I know is this team if they lose this series has blow it up all over it. You will never go anywhere with this kind of compete level. Nowhere. You have to move your feet, dig for pucks, give and take hits.... go to the front of the net and yes- take the abuse. You have to play at an intense level and your skill no longer is enough on its own.

No team in the last forever has ever won the Stanley Cup by being lazy. Stop being lazy and you win. Like game 1. Put in effort. The end.

No amount of coaching or GM changes will make effort level increase, it’s gotta come from within or new players.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

The gm is responsible for 3 of the 4 coaches you have mentioned.

So the gm, over the 5 years hasn't established a good enough core(in fact he should be thanking feaster/sutter for leaving him the quality they did) nor has he established a winning culture by hiring a top end quality coach. If the flames don't get thru these qualifiers and doesnt win an actual playoff round, why would it be prudent to keep this gm around?? If you are gutting the core of the team, I don't want the guy who put it together in the first place, as the guy running the show to fix things.

What GM in the league shouldn’t be thanking their predecessors? Name one. Your point is lame.

Tricky thing about hiring coaches, especially ones with winning track records similar to what you’re referring to, is they have to want to coach the Flames and call Calgary home (mostly) for however long it may last. They are highly coveted and often will pick, or wait, for an opportunity that they want. So your criticism towards the GM is likely misplaced. How do you know who Treliving has talked to? How do you know Bruce Boudreau wasn’t offered the job over Gulutzan and he picked Minnesota instead? For all we know he has talked to or is talking with Gallant or Laviolette or Boudreau right now.

If you have the answers that will lead us to glory, please let us know.

[CsInMyBlood]

I like the guys that continually defend Sam Bennett calling the penalty weak. Ehlers JUST got called for the same #### yet its somehow not Sam Bennetts fault?

Almost every game Bennett takes a stupid, selfish, absolutely no reason penalty at an important point of the game. He does not learn from them. Ever. Its pretty obvious he never will.

Its a broken record. Over and over again.

The IQ just isn't there. How anyone can deny that is beyond me.

[Flamesforever99]

typical mediocracy same sh** differnet year nothing is going to change, if they can't beat the jets with their top 2 players out then this should be it for both monny and johnny I've had enough of watching them dissapear in the playoffs. This team has no identity, same old excuses "yeah we'll be ready for next game", "yeah we have to get out of this drought", "we have to come out more hungry". I've heard enough this team won't go far even if they beat the jets, time to blow it up. Don't get me started on the rittich snub that's two years in a row now, one of the few guys that plas with heart on this team. This team is pathetic.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

I like the guys that continually defend Sam Bennett calling the penalty weak. Ehlers JUST got called for the same #### yet its somehow not Sam Bennetts fault?

Almost every game Bennett takes a stupid, selfish, absolutely no reason penalty at an important point of the game. He does not learn from them. Ever. Its pretty obvious he never will.

Its a broken record. Over and over again.

The IQ just isn't there. How anyone can deny that is beyond me.

You take penalties when you're emotionally engaged.

I'll take Bennett's penalties and 6 points in his last 7 playoff games over Johnny and Sean's emotionless, useless hockey. At least we'd lose while putting in hard nosed effort, rather than fading because you're too afraid to play with pace and can't take the pain.

[MikeMc]

Flames are a frustrating team to cheer for. But man are Flames fans the worst.

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[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

I like the guys that continually defend Sam Bennett calling the penalty weak. Ehlers JUST got called for the same #### yet its somehow not Sam Bennetts fault?

Almost every game Bennett takes a stupid, selfish, absolutely no reason penalty at an important point of the game. He does not learn from them. Ever. Its pretty obvious he never will.

Its a broken record. Over and over again.

The IQ just isn't there. How anyone can deny that is beyond me.

It's pretty embarrassing. It's almost Oiler level koolaid they are ingesting.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Sadly I think we played worse this game than any of the games against the Avs last year.

I don’t think you’re remembering how bad some of those games were last year. Flames were very disappointing today but at no point were they just flat out dominated the way they were in game 3 last year vs Colorado. Hell even the game they won last year, they were dominated but it was an all time performance from Smith to get them the W.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by MikeMc

Flames are a frustrating team to cheer for. But man are Flames fans extremely passionate.

fyp

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

I like the guys that continually defend Sam Bennett calling the penalty weak. Ehlers JUST got called for the same #### yet its somehow not Sam Bennetts fault?

Almost every game Bennett takes a stupid, selfish, absolutely no reason penalty at an important point of the game. He does not learn from them. Ever. Its pretty obvious he never will.

Its a broken record. Over and over again.

The IQ just isn't there. How anyone can deny that is beyond me.

Yeah, way to capture the current themes of the thread. It’s all everyone is talking about

* Hard left turn *
“Bennett, Bennett, Bennett!!!”
*

On the topic of Ehlers and penalties, he shouldn’t have been in the game at the point he scored

[djsFlames]

I dont think the team likes matinees gauging their energy level, looked asleep. I feel better about the 4:45 start.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well, Lindholm’s shot went off a Jet skate, and with Bennett’s goal, obviously the Flames did get a bounce there too.

Yeah, obviously. I more so mean the balance of bounces and deflections. Flames had a big number of bounces that could’ve been something, but that number could have been higher because too often they were caught playing fancy. The more you look for deflections and bounces, the more that might go your way. That’s what kind of series this is, and the goals today back that up.