In a fictional far away place a long long time ago, in which space wizards have dazzled audiences with laser beam gunfights, light sword fights, spaceship laser gun wars, unique looking aliens of all sorts, where these same space wizard use magic to lift space shifts, heavy objects, force other beings to think / believe what they want, come back as ghosts and talk and wave at people, have broken the laws of physics in all previous 8 canon movies, shoot lightning from their hands, been killed and sucked literally out into space and then floated back into a spaceship somehow, have creatures that can live almost 1,000 years, sense when people are close to them or on a nearby ship / planet / plane just by ‘feeling’........ no... no no no no no no we will absolutely NOT ACCEPT hyperspace “skipping” even though every single Star Wars movie to now has had hyperspace travel in it.
It’s just far too unrealistic.
I bet your favourite part from the first trilogy was when the ewoks took on the stormtroopers.
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The movie's own written universe has established that as something that's not possible! It's the first rule of any kind of fiction writing, particularly sci-fi and fantasy -- you have to establish limitations and rules, then you have to play by those rules or it breaks immersion. Or at least attempt to provide some explanation when you do break the rules. But it never explains why it breaks it's own universe's rules, over and over, and everyone is just supposed to roll with it. "It's a crazy sci-fi world, just roll with it!" was probably written at the top of the writer's board when this trainwreck was written.
While this isn't completely inaccurate (and you're describing the issue in a way it's very commonly framed), I don't think it's that accurate either. People can and will roll with rule breaking just fine if they can see that it makes some kind of narrative sense. That's why people mostly aren't complaining about force teleportation. Rey and Kylo Ren fighting in some weird limbo between their imaginations and actual location drove the plot and themes forward, so that was fine, although it decisively was not what we knew of the force, and wasn't really explained in any way.
The problem for writers is that "narrative logic" is really close to just dream logic. It's extremely difficult to know what the audience will go with. However in this case I think it's easy to see what the problems are. Lightspeed skipping had no point in the movie. It was just a different way to do a very basic chase scene, while directly conflicting with things that had previously been established about how the world works. (If you can escape to lightspeed you're fine, jumping to lightspeed takes time to prepare etc.) It just confusing to follow, without really adding anything.
My guess is actually that there was sort of a point to lightspeed skipping. I think the movie tried to make a thing out of advancing technology. Planet busters going from unique to relatively common weapons, jetpacks going from rare bounty hunter equipment to common storm trooper equipment, and lightspeed tracking technology going from unique and new in the previous movie to commonplace in this movie.
Whether this was what they tried to do or not, the execution was really bad, and badly thought out. Lightspeed skipping wasn't just confusing, it was boring.
Star Wars is the most analyzed film series in history. Do people really expect that all discussion of major inconsistencies, especially on an internet forum, isn't going to happen? It's an objectively flawed movie, that required multiple last minute re-shoots. The idea that every Star Wars fan is going to just ignore that and state only how great it was is absurd.
Disney is basically attempting to profit off a built in fanbase, while simultaneously spitting in the face of that fanbase. Yes, I agree they need to cater to other audiences and bring in new fans. However, it's not that hard to take care of minor inconsistencies in pre-existing canon. You could literally get a single consultant with knowledge of the series to consult. It would be possible to maintain that chase atmosphere without directly contracting the previous films pretty easily.
Don't see what the big deal is regarding the lightspeed skipping. They acknowledge in the movie that it's quite dangerous and probably shouldn't be done. Rey gets angry with Poe for even attempting it, and the Falcon is severely damaged as a result.
Because its BS.
"That space station has us caught in a tractor beam!"
Hit they Hyperdrive. Its not ideal, but why not?
"Those Star Destroyers are closing in on us!!'
Hit the Hyperdrive. Might be dangerous but we're the heroes here so it'll be fine.
"We're in atmosphere but those Tie Fighters are closing in?"
Hit the Hyperdrive. Sure, we're still in the Planet's atmosphere and gravity well and arent pointed in any particular direction but whats the worst that could happen?
"Theres a huge battlefleet!!"
Lets ram them....but at Hyperspeed!!
"Will that even work?"
Do you think Rian Johnson GAF?
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I'm also totally convinced of RedLetterMedia's theory that JJ Abrams and Keri Russell had an inside joke to see just how little she could actually be in the movie and get paid for it.
Seeing as every scene with her could be a body double with ADR done after the fact, it's like 5 seconds of her eyes.
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I've only ever seen the movies and not read any of the books or watched the cartoons.
I found it quite jarring that Leia was a jedi master and for me came off as unbelievable.
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She's Vadar's kid and Luke's twin, shown to be force sensitive in Return of the Jedi. Luke got like 5 minutes of training from Obi Wan, without really showing anything before hand. Then he got trained by Yoda for a couple months to become the greatest Jedi. Leia would have started her training like 4 years later and likely for much longer than Luke did.
She's Vadar's kid and Luke's twin, shown to be force sensitive in Return of the Jedi. Luke got like 5 minutes of training from Obi Wan, without really showing anything before hand. Then he got trained by Yoda for a couple months to become the greatest Jedi. Leia would have started her training like 4 years later and likely for much longer than Luke did.
I was initially opposed to the idea, just because the introduction of Leia's powers in TLJ was very jarring. I've come around to the idea though, and the backstory definitely helped. It definitely makes sense that in a post-RotJ world, you'd definitely train Leia, as there were limited Jedi around.
In the end, apart from space Leia, I actually thought Carrie Fisher was one of the more positive aspects of the trilogy. Her transition from young bratty princess to wise leader was very believable.
I do think they misused her death somewhat. SW has already established that he primary role of force ghosts is to provide guidance to force users. Instead of a post-mortem force ghost Leia, we get Luke and Yoda both cracking jokes and interacting with physical objects. If they are capable of interacting with objects, why don't they just snip the wires in Palpatine's ships?
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Its interesting because in the books, Aftermath and others I don't recall Luke ever training Leia or Leia ever taking Jedi training. even in her wookiepedia entry they had a brief paragraph that basically said that at some point she trained with Luke for a year, saw the death of her son and handed her lightsabre to Luke. So I expect that its a major plot hole that will be fixed in the EU.
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Overall I thought the movie was good. I was very pessimistic that the story could be brought back onto the rails after the disaster of TLJ, but JJ pulled it off. He saved Star Wars.
I'm disappointed in how the overall trilogy turned out though, and much of this is because of TLJ. I think TFA needed to be a safe movie that righted the SW universe, and it set up TLJ to be epic. Rian Johnson decided to go in another direction and the trilogy was unable to recover. I felt like JJ had no choice but to make another "safe" movie to at least make the story arcs make sense and he did a good job of that.
No real fatal errors in the movie, although I had a mild quibble with popping in and out of lightspeed. Kinda annoyed at the new insane power of Rey & Palpatine, but I guess they explain it by saying he has every Sith in him, and she has a 1,000 generations of Jedi in her. The kiss I had a major problem with since it made no sense.
There were parts that I loved, (Chewie getting a medal, the small alien hacking C3PO) but many parts suffered because of the trash of TLJ. Rey & Kylo's character development the primary problems. JJ redeemed Rey's character as much as he could.
I don't think I'll ever get over how they handled Luke. He should have died heroically fighting the biggest baddie ever in EP 9, allowing Rey to finish the job and take up the mantle as infallible hero.
Anyway, just a few of my thoughts. I look forward to the spinoffs and some true creativity in the SW universe.
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Overall I thought the movie was good. I was very pessimistic that the story could be brought back onto the rails after the disaster of TLJ, but JJ pulled it off. He saved Star Wars.
I'm disappointed in how the overall trilogy turned out though, and much of this is because of TLJ. I think TFA needed to be a safe movie that righted the SW universe, and it set up TLJ to be epic. Rian Johnson decided to go in another direction and the trilogy was unable to recover. I felt like JJ had no choice but to make another "safe" movie to at least make the story arcs make sense and he did a good job of that.
No real fatal errors in the movie, although I had a mild quibble with popping in and out of lightspeed. Kinda annoyed at the new insane power of Rey & Palpatine, but I guess they explain it by saying he has every Sith in him, and she has a 1,000 generations of Jedi in her. The kiss I had a major problem with since it made no sense.
There were parts that I loved, (Chewie getting a medal, the small alien hacking C3PO) but many parts suffered because of the trash of TLJ. Rey & Kylo's character development the primary problems. JJ redeemed Rey's character as much as he could.
I don't think I'll ever get over how they handled Luke. He should have died heroically fighting the biggest baddie ever in EP 9, allowing Rey to finish the job and take up the mantle as infallible hero.
Anyway, just a few of my thoughts. I look forward to the spinoffs and some true creativity in the SW universe.
I'm still more upset at what they did to Ackbar
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Finally made it out. It was...ok? I managed to avoid all spoilers beforehand, and chatter. I thought the Palpatine grandpa reveal was pretty, I dunno, ugh. When Vader revealed he was Luke's father the reaction was "what?? no way!" This time it was "well of course it's him." Not that I predicted it, just that it feels way to convenient. We had 2 movies, this was supposed to be the finale, yet the real bad guy just shows up in the third one? And he's the same bad guy form the first 2 trilogies?
The other big issue I had was that everything they needed was always one scene ahead of where they were. We need this map thing, it's probably in that ship. Oh, we are sinking in and and going to die. nope, now we are in a tunnel, and blamo, hey there is this knife. But we can't get out, until Rey uses her power for the first time to heal this monster that just happens to be injured in this cave. Every scene of the movie was just hoping from one serendipitous calamity to the next.
Why did the falcon crash on Endor? Was it Endor? Didn't look like Endor. I know the gear was broken, but it looked like they skidded in pretty heavy. But then an hour later or whatever, it's up flying again. Everything was just way to convenient.
That, and the bad guys were always instantly wherever they were. It felt like there was no distance or time between anything.
It really felt more like a superhero movie than anything. The world didn't feel "real" like the original trilogy did. For instance, when Luke is saved below cloud city, and Lando goes to get him, he uses a safety clip and harness. This time, Fin hops 30 feet through the air, then the Falcon rockets off at 90 degrees. Uh, hey Lando? There are people on the Falcon. might want to fly gently.
All in all, I guess this last movie sums up the trilogy. It had large moments of potential, but it never came together in a way that felt like a real world. A better trilogy than the prequel, but doesn't come close to the original trilogy.
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I did like that the lightsabre battles felt a bit more natural and less overly choreographed.
The lightsaber battles were definitely one of the best things about new trilogy. Particularly Rey and Kylo because they had a bit of history so the fights have emotional weight. Their fight on the Death Star wreckage is probably my favourite scene in the new trilogy and definitely my favourite action scene. Although I still think he should have just died when she stabbed him in the gut. The super choreographed fights in the prequel trilogy are often used as a plus, but I just don't agree. The Darth Maul fight was interesting because it was the first time seeing it like that, but it got boring pretty quickly.
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The lightsaber battles were definitely one of the best things about new trilogy. Particularly Rey and Kylo because they had a bit of history so the fights have emotional weight. Their fight on the Death Star wreckage is probably my favourite scene in the new trilogy and definitely my favourite action scene. Although I still think he should have just died when she stabbed him in the gut. The super choreographed fights in the prequel trilogy are often used as a plus, but I just don't agree. The Darth Maul fight was interesting because it was the first time seeing it like that, but it got boring pretty quickly.
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Obi Wan and Anakins duel was one of the best scenes in all nine movies IMO. The emotion was there, the stakes were there, and the choreography was excellent and the music was perfect. I felt like the CGI team worked overtime on those shots because even the CGI is passable vs the rest of the prequels.
Rey and Kylo's duel was good and all, but what were the stakes? Did they really hate each other? JJ Abrams confirmed THAT is a lie.
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