Flames training camp roster, schedule and discussion

[Makarov]

This off-season has been such a strange chapter in the Flames-Oilers storybook.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Why?

They still need a full team there as well...has zero effect on the big club.

Because DSP looks done. He can barely skate or do anything at any adequate level anymore. He looks like he will be a huge on-ice liability even at an AHL level.

His performance in preseason has been nothing short of sad.

[Buff]

If MacDonald gets offered a contract by the Flames it will be a 1-way.

[transplant99]

Calgary Flames
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"It's not our NHL team opening night, don't run with that for sure. But it's going to be real close."

Bill Peters on tomorrow's lineup for the Flames' final pre-season game.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Why would they play Kylington-Andersson in practice before the last pre-season game if this was the plan?

I think its to test if Kylington is good enough to stick. I don't want the Flames to sign MacDonald so here is hoping Kylington has a good game.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I would prefer either Kylington or a forward to be there myself.

Regardless, I'm more concerned that none of Backlund, Czarnik, or Lucic were effective on the PP last year. Whereas Bennett was arguably our best non PP1 guy.

I think Kylington has some defensive issues to work with, so not yet sure the trade-off between having him in the line-up for the sake of having him on the PP is worthwhile.

But TJ just has very little intrinsic feel for the offensive side of the game. Skating is his best weapon and arguably that's minimized on a power play.

[AC]

Brodie on the PP is tricky. I'd argue he's one of the players you most want part of the rush to gain the zone on the PP, but his shot isn't good enough once they're set up. His passing and mobility are great, but when the PK knows he's not much of a threat to shoot, they can focus on covering the passes easier.

Its why Gio and Rasmus both QB nicely. Hanifin was working well the 2nd half last year, but mainly by distributing to Ryan. It sounds like Hanifin really worked on his shot though this summer.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by ignite09

I love the fact we can keep Frolik, he makes this team better. However, I don't know what else Bennett can do to earn a top 6 spot. Played great all pre season, contributed offensively, and still on the third line. I can't be the only Flames fan that wants to at least try this.

Tkachuk-Backlund-Bennett

I have really wanted them to go with :

Tkachuk-Lindholm-Bennett

Credit to Funkhouser for suggesting Ryan on the top line, but really I wouldn't mind him, or Dube or Frolik or a can of tomato soup, until they find another RW that clicks with them.

Calgary is talented enough to have two scoring lines, as opposed to three checking lines, doubling as MacKinnon pylons.

[dustygoon]

I just don't see Kylington on this team. Almost every shift you see him try to do something that amounts to "too much"....sometimes getting himself out of position, stepping up on a guy in the neutral zone only to take himself out of the play, mishandle the puck in his end while stickhandling with his head up, etc etc. He is fast. No doubt. I wish he would pick his spots better about when to use that speed.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I just don't see Kylington on this team. Almost every shift you see him try to do something that amounts to "too much"....sometimes getting himself out of position, stepping up on a guy in the neutral zone only to take himself out of the play, mishandle the puck in his end while stickhandling with his head up, etc etc. He is fast. No doubt. I wish he would pick his spots better about when to use that speed.

I know Kylington isn't perfect by any means (what rookie defenceman is?) but sometimes I feel like I'm watching an entirely different player than the Kylington described by other posters.

[BigRed]

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see why Jankowski is a lock. I feel like Quine has at least the same level of skill and way more heart and jam. I'd rather see Ryan at 3C and Quine at 4.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see why Jankowski is a lock. I feel like Quine has at least the same level of skill and way more heart and jam. I'd rather see Ryan at 3C and Quine at 4.

Jankowski averages 17 goals per 82 games. Quine averages 7. That probably has something to do with it.

Quine is fine as injury depth but he suffers noticeably when he plays tougher competition. That became very obvious during his time in New York.

I agree that Ryan should be the 3C, but Jankowski has the 4C spot locked down -- rightfully so.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Jankowski averages 17 goals per 82 games. Quine averages 7. That probably has something to do with it.

Quine is fine as injury depth but he suffers noticeably when he plays tougher competition. That became very obvious during his time in New York.

I agree that Ryan should be the 3C, but Jankowski has the 4C spot locked down -- rightfully so.

To be fair, Quine hasn't been given the games, or constant opportunity and slow development coddling Jankowski has. He's a better PPG player in the AHL than Jankowksi was, and they're more or less the same age. I like his game. I find Jankowski dispassionate and detached. Doesn't seem like a fit for this group IMHO.

[TheScorpion]

Has Janko really been coddled, though? He only played 12:42 per night last year and a lot of that came on the PK. Throughout all of that, he still scored 32 points in 79 games, and absolutely none of those points came on the powerplay.

Here's an interesting list of the Flames' players ranked by points, excluding powerplay points:

1. Gaudreau (72 points)
2. Monahan (59 points)
T3. Giordano (53 points)
T3. Tkachuk (53 points)
5. Lindholm (52 points)
6. Backlund (45 points)
7. Frolik (34 points)
8. Jankowski (32 points)

Jankowski outranked Ryan (31 points), Brodie (30 points), Hanifin (28 points), Bennett (21 points), and a whole whack of other people. But of everybody mentioned in this post, Jankowski played the least by quite a bit.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by BigRed

To be fair, Quine hasn't been given the games, or constant opportunity and slow development coddling Jankowski has. He's a better PPG player in the AHL than Jankowksi was, and they're more or less the same age. I like his game. I find Jankowski dispassionate and detached. Doesn't seem like a fit for this group IMHO.

He's a poor man's Dustin Penner. Lots of scrutiny when you're a giant and won't play a tough game.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Has Janko really been coddled, though?

...

Jankowski outranked Ryan (31 points), Brodie (30 points), Hanifin (28 points), Bennett (21 points), and a whole whack of other people. But of everybody mentioned in this post, Jankowski played the least by quite a bit.

Jankowski's definitely talented, no question. And the org has been extremely patient in bringing him along. I just don't see a lot of fire in the guy. I don't know. He's a solid PKer and certainly has skill. But those of us who'd hoped he'd step in for Backlund someday will surely be disappointed.

I'd rather see a 4th line C with some more hustle and jam. That's the gig, ultimately. Janko's a talented softie with lacklustre interest. That's how I see it.

[868904]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Jankowski's definitely talented, no question. And the org has been extremely patient in bringing him along. I just don't see a lot of fire in the guy. I don't know. He's a solid PKer and certainly has skill. But those of us who'd hoped he'd step in for Backlund someday will surely be disappointed.

I'd rather see a 4th line C with some more hustle and jam. That's the gig, ultimately. Janko's a talented softie with lacklustre interest. That's how I see it.

I’m just waiting for him to become the best player in the 2012 draft.

Is he there yet?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by 868904

I’m just waiting for him to become the best player in the 2012 draft.

Is he there yet?

He's definitely better than the guys who went first and fourth overall.

[browna]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Calgary Flames
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"It's not our NHL team opening night, don't run with that for sure. But it's going to be real close."

Bill Peters on tomorrow's lineup for the Flames' final pre-season game.

I’d frankly be surprised if Lucic plays, mildly surprised if Rieder plays, and almost certain that Talbot won’t. Save the venom for those guys for the first Oilers game that means something, even if it isn’t until after Christmas.

Instead, give those two forward spots to some bubble guys like DSP and Rinoldo for a last look and or showcase for other teams.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I found Peters’ comments interesting about the team identity based on lineup. Last year with Ryan and Mangiapane (especially second half) they had a fourth line that could score. Peters said something that hinted maybe they were expecting a different role (I could be wrong).

I think everyone enjoyed the regular season last year - that was amazing, high skill hockey. The goals and how they scored a lot of them was just fun to watch. Do they want a change? I could be reading too much into those comments.

Do they want Lucic and Rieder in and expect less offence from fourth line?
Some people could see him off the team but I want Czarnik’s offensive potential - I like skill, I want to see plays, offensive chances.

Now I’m down with Lucic in the lineup and I think faster heavier was needed. Kind of like Frolik said was needed during garbage bag day - but I still want guys to play same identity ie fast, skill game - move puck fast or skate fast. Like Gio said in playoffs they didn’t play to their identity, meaning they don’t have to change that identity. So no fourth line that doesn’t create chances and just checks.

Make plays with every line all over the ice.