[PGT] *Ting* Flames get blanked by the oil

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by getbak

Hextall was known for banging his posts too.

Annoying. If it is for positioning, goalies can look at the crease.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Their d seemed to be hanging back like crazy. No rush opportunities presented themselves much. Dang!

Edmonton's entire game plan is to sit back, clog up the neutral zone, and then pray that McDavid scores a goal or two. It's really the only way they can squeeze points out of games. Sadly it's been working for them lately due to a favorable schedule. I anticipate they'll come crashing back down to earth very soon.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Annoying. If it is for positioning, goalies can look at the crease.

Look at Sigalet here.

“Hey, you annoy me, so instead of doing what 100% of goalies do, I want you to take your eyes off the play and look down at your feet!”

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Look at Sigalet here.

“Hey, you annoy me, so instead of doing what 100% of goalies do, I want you to take your eyes off the play and look down at your feet!”

I don’t understand. Are you joking?

You really think a goalie needs to whack the posts to find his positioning relative to his net rather than use things within his field of vision?

That’s downright silly.

[Harry Lime]

Actually watching the last game, Bennett was engaged and Tkachuk wasn't. The narrative that this is somehow Bennett's fault is being pushed by two very vocal posters. You will have to excuse the 'eye test', but if Tkachuk is having a mini slump, I'm afraid that is on him.

Blaming Bennett is just a weird take.

Who are we blaming for Neal not producing? Clearly it's the rest of the team failing him.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I don’t understand. Are you joking?

You really think a goalie needs to whack the posts to find his positioning relative to his net rather than use things within his field of vision?

That’s downright silly.

Goalies are a weird and superstitious lot. He is also coming over from Europe so maybe this is also a way to ensure he isn't losing his net since the angles there are different. I am willing to bet it aligns more with a superstition than fundamental positioning, but I could see a the reasoning behind it if it was to ensure positioning.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I don’t understand. Are you joking?

You really think a goalie needs to whack the posts to find his positioning relative to his net rather than use things within his field of vision?

That’s downright silly.

I take it you've never played goal then? Tapping your posts or even feeling with your blocker and catcher to see how square you are in your net is alot smarter than looking down at your crease. You don't want to take your eye off the puck for even a second.

[Toonage]

As mentioned above, probably superstition in this case as I don't think he did that at the dome when they played.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I take it you've never played goal then? Tapping your posts or even feeling with your blocker and catcher to see how square you are in your net is alot smarter than looking down at your crease. You don't want to take your eye off the puck for even a second.

And after a while, Koskinen likely needs to do it as part of the routine. Lots of athletes have a mental trigger to set themselves before a play.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I take it you've never played goal then? Tapping your posts or even feeling with your blocker and catcher to see how square you are in your net is alot smarter than looking down at your crease. You don't want to take your eye off the puck for even a second.

It’s even second nature, almost just due to equipment and stance. The back of your stick can easily feel the blocker side post like a visually impaired persons cane.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I take it you've never played goal then? Tapping your posts or even feeling with your blocker and catcher to see how square you are in your net is alot smarter than looking down at your crease. You don't want to take your eye off the puck for even a second.

Haha. Only played in goal for decades.

Superstition, absolutely. Positioning, no. I haven’t hit my posts with my stick since I was a kid and thought it looked cool.

Oversimplified slightly, but a decent starting point, for example, is that if you are on the mark on the corner of the crease, you are pretty square with the faceoff dot.

(Note: I’m not saying to stop and look at your feet when a winger is streaming down and taking a shot any more than you are saying to touch the net and put your stick or glove side arm temporarily out of position when you are actively cutting down that angle and anticipating a shot)

Here is a nice article from InGoal magazine. Doesn’t mention whacking posts.

https://ingoalmag.com/technique/prof...ng-strategies/

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Haha. Only played in goal for decades.

Superstition, absolutely. Positioning, no. I haven’t hit my posts with my stick since I was a kid and thought it looked cool.

Oversimplified slightly, but a decent starting point, for example, is that if you are on the mark on the corner of the crease, you are pretty square with the faceoff dot.

(Note: I’m not saying to stop and look at your feet when a winger is streaming down and taking a shot any more than you are saying to touch the net and put your stick or glove side arm temporarily out of position when you are actively cutting down that angle and anticipating a shot)

Here is a nice article from InGoal magazine. Doesn’t mention whacking posts.

https://ingoalmag.com/technique/prof...ng-strategies/

You don’t generally stand on the goal line or close to it when the puck isn’t in your zone?? There is no reaching required. It’s automatic and I have to move my stick 1/2” to feel behind me as I come out at the chosen angle to challenge the play.

Your article has no mention of what methods are used to ensure you are square to where you want to be. Just where you should be and why. Not how.

Whatever works for you man, but don’t claim tapping the post is some kind or show off move or something no goalies do. You might be the only goalie I’ve ever had a conversation with who was against this technique. It’s bizarre really.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And after a while, Koskinen likely needs to do it as part of the routine. Lots of athletes have a mental trigger to set themselves before a play.

Set routines are helpful triggers to get back to a certain state of mind.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I guess so. It's a confusing explanation on your part. To say that he's not completing the chances Tkachuk is giving him, he doesn't have the vision to create anything and in general just isn't doing anything on the line, but then hammer out semantics on how that's not neutering Tkachuk it's just not helping him, is weird.

Not finishing chances and not helping a star player do anything offensively when you've been put in a second line role is the definition of neutering to me.


When given a second line role your objective isn't "don't harm the other players on your line, just be there" that's 4th line ****. If a second line star's production falters because you can't help him and contribute that is harming the second line.

Anyways, weird semantics debate as it seems that you and I actually agree on what Bennett is failing to do, just not sure why you wouldn't call a spade a spade.

I honestly don't see it as what Bennett is failing to do to be honest.

I don't remember a lot of amazing Tkachuk set ups for Bennett that were gassed.

The line itself is in a funk and I don't think any of them are/were (Backlund before going down) playing all that well.

For Bennett though I don't see that drive to get in on the forecheck that he had a for a good stretch. That's his principal role, not setting up Tkachuk or being the big finisher.

If he starts to produce we can look at his offense more closely, but right now it's speed and energy, and that waned a bit (was better late against Edmonton)

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You don’t generally stand on the goal line or close to it when the puck isn’t in your zone?? There is no reaching required. It’s automatic and I have to move my stick 1/2” to feel behind me as I come out at the chosen angle to challenge the play.

Your article has no mention of what methods are used to ensure you are square to where you want to be. Just where you should be and why. Not how.

Whatever works for you man, but don’t claim tapping the post is some kind or show off move or something no goalies do. You might be the only goalie I’ve ever had a conversation with who was against this technique. It’s bizarre really.

I’m not saying no goalies do it. I have seen it.

A quick forum post isn’t a goaltending clinic. (And I’m not a goaltending coach.)

I absolutely (like pretty much all goalies) stand at times centred in my net with back touching crossbar. I have things I do to try to get consistently decent positioning. Visualize points on ice and boards, push out and then return to position. With repetition and various points, your positional awareness becomes increasingly subconscious. Touching the post on my way out or to centre myself is not something I do. Seems like an unnecessary movement.

If you are a goalie and need to tap your posts repeatedly then likewise, whatever works for you. Maybe it is a comfort thing. Marc Andre Fleury even talks to his posts.

You mentioned it being like visually impaired people using their cane. I find the approach of a person with normal vision, using visual information to inform my spatial awareness, works.

Mainly I think we agree as GioforPM mentioned, it is a mental thing.

[stang]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Haha. Only played in goal for decades.

Superstition, absolutely. Positioning, no. I haven’t hit my posts with my stick since I was a kid and thought it looked cool....

Maybe you should have. Koskinen does it and he’s in the NHL!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by stang

Maybe you should have. Koskinen does it and he’s in the NHL!

Touché!

I see there are a lot of armchair goalies in this thread who believe in the post touch. lol

[DeluxeMoustache]

nm

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Musing. I wonder how many people that thanked this actually play net, or have never played net but just liked his comment.

We know atleast Scroopy Noopers does. And I did which is why I commented in the first place. It might not have been for as long as you say you have but that doesn't mean what I said is wrong. There's multiple ways to do something effectively.

I didn't mean to come off as a smartass when I said it. Your comment sounded like someone who never played goal to me because I think whether a goalie does it or doesn't do it they should still get why others might and how it could work for them. Obviously I was wrong and you have, but thinking that you didn't I was just explaining why a goalie would use it for positioning.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Inferno

We know atleast Scroopy Noopers does. And I did which is why I commented in the first place. It might not have been for as long as you say you have but that doesn't mean what I said is wrong. There's multiple ways to do something effectively.

I didn't mean to come off as a smartass when I said it. Your comment sounded like someone who never played goal to me because I think whether a goalie does it or doesn't do it they should still get why others might and how it could work for them. Obviously I was wrong and you have, but thinking that you didn't I was just explaining why a goalie would use it for positioning.

All good, man. Fair point. And truly appreciate the perspective. Internet posts are too drive by, by their nature, to get your point plus its context across every time.

I do buy the argument towards superstition or a mental / situational reset thing. Just of the opinion that with the amount of training they actually do, they need to build this to put positioning details mainly in to their subconscious.

*Maybe it was not hopping over the lines on the ice like Roy that kept me out of the bigs! (Just kidding, I am comfortable that beer league was my destiny)