[News Roundup] Garbage bag day: Monahan had 4 surgeries!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

At any rate, I can't fathom that Gulutzan is retained. He didn't want to share in public some of the reasons as to why he thinks the season didn't go well, and will share it with Treliving tomorrow, but for the rest of his interview he seemed to not have enough answers, and on some occasions, showed how he failed.

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I feel bad for Gulutzan - I am sure he is a great guy and a really good human being, but I think he is out of his league at this level, or just needs more experience under different head coaches and on different teams. The Flames didn't seem to have many answers this year, and I think it comes from the coaching.

Great post C4L.

I'm pretty confident Gulutzan will not be retained. I think Treliving will go about his business and conclude that an easy way to improve will be to get an even better coach. Gulutuzan didn't have a lot of satisfying answers and didn't take responsibility for their shortcomings. He also didn't seem to understand why the Flames failed. Unless Treliving is blinded by loyalty to Gulutzan I don't really see any way he can be retained. I'm sure he will get negative feedback on coaching from a variety of the sources he talks to. Treliving thought the team should be better and I think a big portion of the blame naturally gets assigned to the coaches when is the case.

I don't think the firing will be fast enough for some people but I'm not super worried that Gulutzan will be back. I could be wrong but I hope I'm not.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Interesting listening to all the interviews. I find it even more interesting to hear a couple of players saying that although the team generated a lot of shots and out-shot and out-chanced the other teams, that there weren't enough high-quality chances.

Which players said this?

[Toonage]

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[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Which players said this?

Versteeg did. I can't think of the other two right now (I was kind of surprised with Versteeg saying it, so that is why I remember him).

[McG]

I was listening to the Jets game and (think it was stastny) was saying that the jets plan was to get the first shot through to the net on dubnyk and be there for the second and third shots.

That sounds familiar!

So the outshooting opponents is intentional, however the Flames execution is flawed. Is that on players or coaches?

To me, the one thing that would have changed the season would have been an effective power play. A few timely pp goals and our season would be different.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by McG

I was listening to the Jets game and (think it was stastny) was saying that the jets plan was to get the first shot through to the net on dubnyk and be there for the second and third shots.

That sounds familiar!

So the outshooting opponents is intentional, however the Flames execution is flawed. Is that on players or coaches?

To me, the one thing that would have changed the season would have been an effective power play. A few timely pp goals and our season would be different.

Another part of the execution flaw was that rarely did we have guys in the hard areas there to bang in that rebound. Over and over we saw perimeter shooting with nobody in the slot or on the opposite angle to fire it in.

And that was on the PP as well which is just crazy.

[Calgary4LIfe]

A lack of screens and a lack of guys crashing the net. Was it execution, or not? It is hard to say, as it was a constant theme throughout the season.

[GioforPM]

I'm pretty sure GG did not say "get lots of shots but make sure they are from the perimeter and don't follow up towards the net". It may we'll be that some players thought getting lots of shots meant that, or were satisfied with that, or just didn't understand the concept.

To me second half Frolik is an example. He loves to shoot, but they aren't dangerous and he tended to coast in to the net thereafter. Jankowski is similar, and he has size and reach to get in to the tougher areas.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm pretty sure GG did not say "get lots of shots but make sure they are from the perimeter and don't follow up towards the net". It may we'll be that some players thought getting lots of shots meant that, or were satisfied with that, or just didn't understand the concept...

I completely agree. If anything, I think the Flames struggled for overthinking their shots or overplaying the puck once in the offensive zone, and probably could have benefitted from throwing more perimeter shots on goal to generate rebounds. (Mind you, they also missed the net a tonne).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I completely agree. If anything, I think the Flames struggled for overthinking their shots or overplaying the puck once in the offensive zone, and probably could have benefitted from throwing more perimeter shots on goal to generate rebounds. (Mind you, they also missed the net a tonne).

To me this was the key on the powerplay. Watching other teams, they do the same entry, the same setup, the same formation. They just move the puck so much more intuitive. The Winnipeg powerplay goal last night was an example. Other than the obvious Laine one timer threat, it was an identical setup and Scheifle scored on that could easily have come from Monnie if they moved it to him faster. Pittsburgh also has a similar PP setup (right down to the bump back).

A powerplay with a puckhandler like Gaudreau, a mucker like Tkachuk, sniperslike Hamilton and Monahan and a QB like Gio should be able to go into "no think - just do" mode.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

To me this was the key on the powerplay. Watching other teams, they do the same entry, the same setup, the same formation. They just move the puck so much more intuitive. The Winnipeg powerplay goal last night was an example. Other than the obvious Laine one timer threat, it was an identical setup and Scheifle scored on that could easily have come from Monnie if they moved it to him faster. Pittsburgh also has a similar PP setup (right down to the bump back).

A powerplay with a puckhandler like Gaudreau, a mucker like Tkachuk, sniperslike Hamilton and Monahan and a QB like Gio should be able to go into "no think - just do" mode.

Exactly. I think this goes a long way to explaining the massive discrepancy between home and road performance by the Flames as well.

I remain convinced that the biggest problems this season were mostly psychological for whatever reason. This has a lot to do with coaching, but I don't believe that it is as simply resolved as "changing the system."

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

To me this was the key on the powerplay. Watching other teams, they do the same entry, the same setup, the same formation. They just move the puck so much more intuitive. The Winnipeg powerplay goal last night was an example. Other than the obvious Laine one timer threat, it was an identical setup and Scheifle scored on that could easily have come from Monnie if they moved it to him faster. Pittsburgh also has a similar PP setup (right down to the bump back).

A powerplay with a puckhandler like Gaudreau, a mucker like Tkachuk, sniperslike Hamilton and Monahan and a QB like Gio should be able to go into "no think - just do" mode.

Wheeler, Laine, Ehlers, Scheifele, Connor, Statsny, Little and Perreault.
That team is waaaay more talented up front than the Flames.
Sure we may use the same strategy as the Jets and Pens.....so what? We don't have the personnel or talent to execute at the level they can.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Wheeler, Laine, Ehlers, Scheifele, Connor, Statsny, Little and Perreault.
That team is waaaay more talented up front than the Flames.
Sure we may use the same strategy as the Jets and Pens.....so what? We don't have the personnel or talent to execute at the level they can.

But our #1 PP would have as much talent.

Hamilton, Gio, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk

This is a very skilled PP #1 that should be able to look as dangerous as any teams.

Instead they look like 5 players who have never been on a PP before most of the time

[Manhattanboy]

Anyone know why there are several folks sporting Flames jerseys downtown today?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Anyone know why there are several folks sporting Flames jerseys downtown today?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4139545/j...roncos-canada/

[Manhattanboy]

I saw that now in the Broncos thread.

Jersey day should be an annual event in memory.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Anyone know why there are several folks sporting Flames jerseys downtown today?

It's for Humboldt. Supposed to wear any hockey jersey as a show of support.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Wheeler, Laine, Ehlers, Scheifele, Connor, Statsny, Little and Perreault.
That team is waaaay more talented up front than the Flames.
Sure we may use the same strategy as the Jets and Pens.....so what? We don't have the personnel or talent to execute at the level they can.

Well, the first unit listed is *not* 'waaaay' worse than the Jets' or Pens'.

[GioforPM]

Gaudreau > Ehlers (except in raw speed)
Monahan < Scheifle but not by much
Tkachuk = Wheeler all things considered
Hamilton < Laine as far as one timers go, but does other things like passing and protecting the puck better
Gio > Buff at the point

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Gaudreau > Ehlers (except in raw speed)
Monahan < Scheifle but not by much
Tkachuk = Wheeler all things considered
Hamilton < Laine as far as one timers go, but does other things like passing and protecting the puck better
Gio > Buff at the point

ehlers is on the point of the jets 2nd PP

Gaudreau does what Wheeler does but not as good. 34 PP assists to 21 PP assists says that Wheeler is better than Gaudreau in this role... Neither is the shooter 6 goals for Wheeler to 3 for Gaudreau

The whole jet PP is better on puck retrieval..and picks.. They are about 20-30 lbs bigger and 3-4 inches taller.

Laine is the best sniper in the league ... Ehlers on the 2nd PP would be better than Hamilton as well.

The Flames (Tkachuk) are better at pushing the puck in at scrambles... The Jets shoot the puck in not push it in...they don't get as many dirty goals.

Pretty much every player on the Jets PP is more skillful than the Flame trying to do the same job.


What Flame would replace a Jet on their PP... Tkachuk as the behind the net guy instead of Statnsy