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Monahammer · 03-24-2018, 02:36 PM

Y'all want to take this team, who struggles to score goals, and remove the highest scoring defenceman? Genius, really.

djsFlames · 03-24-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Y'all want to take this team, who struggles to score goals, and remove the highest scoring defenceman? Genius, really.

You could've used that same logic with the Avalanche after last season about Duchene.

You just never know what will spark a team.

However I'd deal Brodie long before I move Hamilton.

The Cobra · 03-24-2018, 03:11 PM

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What's interesting about Dougie is, the bruins moved him in part because Julien didn't trust him.

Hamilton got moved because he wouldn’t sign a contract with Boston and he was pretty sure an offer sheet was forthcoming.

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TOfan · 03-24-2018, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Y'all want to take this team, who struggles to score goals, and remove the highest scoring defenceman? Genius, really.

Credit to you for using 'y'all' and 'genius' in the same post. Well done. That's a strong case your making.

Your argument presumes the Flames would take a net loss on offence by trading Dougie without considering the return, or his replacement.

TOfan · 03-24-2018, 03:21 PM

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Hamilton got moved because he wouldn’t sign a contract with Boston and he was pretty sure an offer sheet was forthcoming.

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There's likely more to it than just that. Dougie was stapled to the bench throughout the bruins game 7 comeback vs the leafs & throughout that playoff run.

Further, cite one other case where a team moved a 22 year old stud d man for picks because they couldn't sign him. If the bruins wanted him, they would have made other moves to keep him. Even if it meant matching an offer sheet (which almost never happen).

When it came down to asset management, Dougie was cut loose. From the looks of it, they don't miss him.

Erick Estrada · 03-24-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TOfan

When it came down to asset management, Dougie was cut loose. From the looks of it, they don't miss him.

See that theory is so easy to blow up. If the Bruins really didn't trust Hamilton why did they go out of their way to ensure Chiarelli and the Oilers didn't get him? If I have a player I think is overrated I would be delighted to see him go the ex-GM that was threatening to sign him to an offer sheet.

TOfan · 03-24-2018, 03:38 PM

To clarify, I'm not saying the Flames should trade Hamilton. I do think they should consider pretty much everything.

The only two untouchables in my mind are Gaudreau and Tkachuck (Maybe Monahan as well). . If the Flames are going to move a D, I think Hamilton brings you the highest return, and based on what that is, it should be considered.

Vinny01 · 03-24-2018, 03:40 PM

Hamilton. Value is sky high and we can still pretend he is a legit top pairing D and not an offensive specialist.

CalgaryFan1988 · 03-24-2018, 03:43 PM

I say there are no untouchables. Certain players logically won't be traded, but to talk about untouchables....

Vinny01 · 03-24-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Y'all want to take this team, who struggles to score goals, and remove the highest scoring defenceman? Genius, really.

He is likely the only tradeable piece to land a legit top line forward which is a massive need for a team with 4 top 6 forwards.

GioforPM · 03-24-2018, 03:47 PM

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He is likely the only tradeable piece to land a legit top line forward which is a massive need for a team with 4 top 6 forwards.

And then you destroy your top pairing D?

Vinny01 · 03-24-2018, 03:53 PM

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And then you destroy your top pairing D?

Gio is the top pairing constant not 19min Dougie. Put Brodie back with him or Hamonic. I suspect that is the new “best pairing in the league” next year.

GioforPM · 03-24-2018, 04:01 PM

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Gio is the top pairing constant not 19min Dougie. Put Brodie back with him or Hamonic. I suspect that is the new “best pairing in the league” next year.

On my team Brodie doesn't get anywhere near the top pairing. I like Hamonic a lot, but that doesn't work either.

Hamilton is the second best defenceman on the team and Gio has probably only a few good years left. Get rid of Hamilton and if Gio regresses, now you have a top pairing of Brodie and Hamonic.

djsFlames · 03-24-2018, 04:05 PM

We're deep enough at D with Kulak and Andersson graduating and Valimaki and Fox on the way that we can deal pretty much any one from the current D and I don't think it'll kill us at the position.

Flash Walken · 03-24-2018, 04:06 PM

would not surprise me at all if the flames moved Hamilton or even Hamilton + to make a splash moving into the top 5 (and removing the Islanders pick as a news story for calgary media).

I think it's more about face-saving right now than it is team building and asset management.

GioforPM · 03-24-2018, 04:09 PM

Attaboy, Hammer.

timbit · 03-24-2018, 04:10 PM

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We're deep enough at D with Kulak and Andersson graduating and Valimaki and Fox on the way that we can deal pretty much any one from the current D and I don't think it'll kill us at the position.

IMO, none of those guys are within 3 or 4 years of producing what Hamilton does for the Flames.

Aarongavey · 03-24-2018, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

would not surprise me at all if the flames moved Hamilton or even Hamilton + to make a splash moving into the top 5 (and removing the Islanders pick as a news story for calgary media).

I think it's more about face-saving right now than it is team building and asset management.

You make it sound so dire, they have a path that will not be as dire.

1) Trade Hamonic for a 1st and two 2nds (minimum, maybe he is even worth more now)

2) Trade Stone for a 3rd and a 5th (maybe more if he is worth more now)

3) Trade Lazar for a 2nd or maybe even a 1st given his increasing value.

Voila, Wizardry.

GioforPM · 03-24-2018, 04:11 PM

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IMO, none of those guys are within 3 or 4 years of producing what Hamilton does for the Flames.

It's kind of like when there was an automatic assumption that Jankowski would arrive and immediately produce.

browna · 03-24-2018, 04:12 PM

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On my team Brodie doesn't get anywhere near the top pairing.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...libre-defence/

That was only 2 years back.
No question that Brodie has dropped off after getting replaced by Hamilton, goes to show the absolute workhorse and professional that Gio is and has been and how he makes teammates better.
So I don’t think it’s a huge leap to think that Brodie looks better and plays better if he was still with Gio...and begs the question about how much confidence Gio gaves Hamilton certainly offensively.