[PGT] Golden Knights 4 - Flames 2

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

team is fragile...

not sure how else to explain the last 5 games... its like they all go into panic mode.

you could literally feel the ice tipping with 5 min left as LV started their push...it really felt inevitable to me that LV would score - i couldn't have guessed how they would score mind you...

not sure why GG is so stingy with his TOs either... spend them or lose them... if you are protecting a one goal lead and they are getting pummeled, not sure why you wouldn't use it. No reason to save them, because if LV ties it, you just hold on for OT anyways...

really dumbfounded

I don't think the team is fragile per se. I see it as a group that is expecting the coach to make odd decisions and screw it up. They have no confidence in their coach's decision making.

I don't think gg has lost the room - they seem to like him - but the expectation that the coach will make the wrong call is being met every game

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Every single player in the league has hot and cold streaks. The problem is the 3rd and 4th lines do nothing

I have watched most games this season, and the disappearing act of the top line when the team needs them to seal the deal is almost breathtaking.

[direwolf]

Up until the Frolik gaffe, the Flames played pretty much a perfect hockey game (not including the PP). Sadly all it took was a few seconds for the wheels to fall off. The Flames are such a fragile bunch, you could just tell right away that they weren't gonna get their mojo back after that tying goal. And it showed on the following faceoff. They looked completely lost and deflated at that point.

Also, if the PP had scored a goal tonight, we'd likely be discussing a hard fought win instead of crying in our beer. So damn frustrating.

[badradio]

You would think they would learn not to sit back with a one goal lead. That was a garbage effort.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by zamler

Back to this are we. So fire the GM, trade a few key players keep the coach. Right?

BTW saying our goaltending is "good" give me a break. Smith has been stellar.

I'm saying for how garbage the coaching has been they didn't lose because of dumb coaching, they lost because of a dumb play by Frolik + a dumb play off the immediate ensuing faceoff + craptastic PP (in spite of solid d and goaltending, sorry I suppose 'good' wasn't a strong enough adjective for the point I was trying make).

I'm saying regardless of the coach, this team does not have enough skill upfront to be a true contender.

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Tkachuk does

A lot of Tkachuk's goals recently have been on the powerplay also

[Psytic]

Yes the play was dumb. But like others have said if you cant afford to make even one mistake a game we got bigger problems. Every team screws up but good teams regroup and come back. They don't fall apart like a deck of cards on one bad goal.

Hartley might of been an a hole but out of fear they would regroup and give it their best effort when stuff like this happened. Gallant has the same effect coming from a positive influence. His team comes back even from playing a worse game than the Flames because they respect him and want to go to war for each other. Nobody on this team gives a crap about GG positively or negatively. If he got fired tomorrow and the waterboy ran the team I bet they would come out with the same record as with GG behind the bench.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I said both. Check out Johnny's stats during the month of December. Are they impressive to you?

Johnny has not been consistent; he gets points in bunches. And we expect him to get points - that's the style of game he plays.

Inconsistency. You can't defend it.

I think Johnny is inconsistent because Monahan is a 1 trick pony. If Johnny played with an Elite Centre he would be more productive.

[Wolfman]

Like, at what point do you admit defeat and say this pp isn't working. How long until this pp costs the team the season? It's so painfully obvious.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I said both. Check out Johnny's stats during the month of December. Are they impressive to you?

Johnny has not been consistent; he gets points in bunches. And we expect him to get points - that's the style of game he plays.

Inconsistency. You can't defend it.

Not one player in the league is consistent then, there you have it

You cant say one forward is responsible for the Flames being in the race and then not name JG...its ridiculous

Tkachuk has gone long stretches with no points too

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is in on half our goals...he is more consistent than anyone else on the team...almost anyone in the league

nobody scores points every single game

The other two on the top line though

Ferland is having a fantastic year by his standards, I don't have much issues with him.

Monahan, despite being a consistent goal scorer, just lacks that top end impact I would like from a #1C. Someone who can create offense on their own, as well create turnovers defensively. He's pretty quiet when he isn't being a trigger man.

Which is why I feel ultimately, Bennett needs to become the #1C for this team to reach it's top potential. His style of play will complements it. But with how his development has slowed down, it's not looking realistic at this point that Bennett will be able to fulfill that role. Bennett needs to be able to run a line by himself, and get results despite whom his linemates may be.

But perhaps if Bennett ever did get time to play with Gaudreau and develop chemistry, it could end up being as good as I fantaize it could be.

[You Need a Thneed]

As frustrating as that was, the Flames have had terrible luck for this last stretch. If the Flames have equal luck as the other teams for the last 5, they probably win at least 3. The PP has been poor, but has also been unlucky at some points. Frolik made a bad play, but those bad plays have seemingly gone against us at a rate that must involve some bad luck.

Luck will balance out. The Flames have shown plenty to show that they can compete (and more) with anyone.

More killer instinct would be good, but that doesn't always overcome bad luck.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by badradio

You would think they would learn not to sit back with a one goal lead. That was a garbage effort.

That’s GG hockey, I never expect less

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan2010

I really feel the flames need to try putting Tkachuk on the top line with Monahan and Gaudreau. Move Ferland down to the second or third line.

Adjustments will not be made...unless it's to give Brouwer more icetime.

[tvp2003]

If you watch the replay, after Haula scores he's looking at his teammates thinking WTF was that...

Also, Brodie and Smith are clearly not expecting Frolik to pass it directly towards the net -- with hindsight maybe they play it differently but at the time both are thinking WTF is he doing...

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I'm saying regardless of the coach, this team does not have enough skill upfront to be a true contender.

You'd better inform Treliving then. He's been unloading picks like it's going out of style.

Blow it up again! Keep Gulutzan for the rebuild! Can't wait!

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

I think Johnny is inconsistent because Monahan is a 1 trick pony. If Johnny played with an Elite Centre he would be more productive.

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Adjustments will not be made...unless it's to give Brouwer more icetime.

Don't forget about Stajan

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not one player in the league is consistent then, there you have it

You cant say one forward is responsible for the Flames being in the race and then not name JG...its ridiculous

Tkachuk has gone long stretches with no points too

What does Johnny do when he doesn't have the puck? What does Tkachuk do when he doesn't have the puck? Tkachuk is drawing the most penalties of anyone in the league, and playing physical.

If you look at point totals alone, I have a Marius Czerkawski to sell you.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan2010

Don't forget about Stajan

We don't want Frolik, Stajan, Brouwer, Lazar on the ice lol

Top line is terrible and inconsitent

So who plays?