Treliving needs to start feeling the heat

[Saint Troy]

I can’t believe Treliving didn’t lottery protect that first he dealt for Hamonic, could be his Tom Kurvers trade...

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

An over the top take on your part

Yup, over the top. Treliving has been trying to address the goaltending position since he arrived, and has failed. Nothing proven to date, and that includes Smith. Having watched him in Arizona I can say that I knew what we were getting into, and he has lived up to that expectation. He plays some great games, but he is inconsistent and is a horrible team mate - blaming his defense for everything that gets past him. But Treliving has nailed it! Just how many cracks did it take again?

[Vinny01]

Flames have made the playoffs in 2 of the 3 full seasons under Treliving. He took over the team that was a year and a half into a rebuild where they got nothing but trash assets for their former top players by the previous regime. Flames don’t make the playoffs if it wasn’t for Hiller in 2015. Both Johnson and Elliott were key in getting the team there in 2017.

The good news is Treliving knew these guys were not long term answers and did not put himself in a bad situation by locking into one of theee guys long term. Same case with Smith. Rittich, Gillies, Parsons all have good potential as well.

No way he should be fired over the head goaltending. It hasn’t been good enough so we have had 3 straight years with new tandems. Goalies are not the reason this team is outside the playoffs this year. Pipeline for the future looks good and again in the present we are not locked into anyone beyond a season and a half

[Aarongavey]

I suspect that Brad should start feeling the heat for one reason and one reason only, it looks like he will likely be giving up a lottery pick to Garth Snow.

For the Flames to reach 95 points now, they need to play .625 hockey the rest of the way. That is a 103 point pace.

If they lose tomorrow night, they will have to play .640 hockey to make the playoffs, or a 105 point pace. They are quickly getting into a place where it is mathematically unlikely that they will get in.

Every team currently in the playoffs in the west is playing at a 93 point pace or better, so 95 seems to be a reasonable number to make it.

Hopefully Peter Maher's "you see what you have in the 2nd 20 games" is incorrect, because right now in the second 20 games (2 remaining) the Flames are 6-8-4. If they win out, they are a. 500 team in their 2nd 20 games, if they go 1-1 they are a .450 team (or a 74 point team over a whole season) and if they go 0-2 they are a .400 team (or a 66 point team over a whole season).

In a world where the Flames go 2-2 over their next 4 games (which would be pretty good in most fans eyes), they would have to go 25-14-1 over their final 40 games to get to 95 points, or have two 20 game stretches where they go 12-7-1 in one and 13-7 in the other. This would both be better than either of the first 20 game stretches this season.

After the next 4 games the Flames have the following games against what I would call difficult teams.

Tampa
Carolina
Winnipeg
LA
Edmonton (just because of GG's record agains them)
Vegas
Tampa
Chicago
Chicago
New Jersey
NYR
NYI
Boston
Nashville
Boston
Vegas
Colorado
Dallas
Colorado
NYR
Pittsburgh
NYI
Edmonton
San Jose
Vegas
Anaheim
San Jose
LA
Columbus
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Vegas

Easier teams would be the following

Arizona
Buffalo
Ottawa
Arizona
Florida
Buffalo
Florida
Arizona

So in their final 40 games, where they have to try play better than their first 44 games, they have 8 easier games. The Flames have already finished the easy part of their schedule (Ottawa, Vancouver, Vancouver, Detroit, Detroit, Arizona, Montreal, Vancouver, Vancouver, Montreal) in their first 38 games, so they have already made their hay against those teams (going 6-4 for a. 600 winning percentage)

Tough road ahead.

[David Struch]

Treliving should've paid the price for either one of Talbot, Bishop or Fleury.

[killer_carlson]

If our coach continues to mismanage the game at what point does the GM step in and make changes behind the bench?

I am again concerned that Treliving is incapable of making mid-season adjustments. This year it's coaching.

I'd love to see some difficult questions put to treliving about our special teams strategy.

[meh]

We are where we were for the past decade or two.
Nothing has changed.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

If our coach continues to mismanage the game at what point does the GM step in and make changes behind the bench?

I am again concerned that Treliving is incapable of making mid-season adjustments. This year it's coaching.

I'd love to see some difficult questions put to treliving about our special teams strategy.

Nothing will happen until the offseason because the flames have the most ridiculously conservative culture from ownership through to a good chunk of the fanbase.

The organization shags the dog over and over again and anyone calling out for bold changes gets the... Hey now lets not do anything rash. Don't be a drama queen, just stay the course. You even see it on the forums when ppl are upset about a loss.

They finally have a good base of talent that should at minimum make the playoffs. 50 games in and into another 5 game losing streak it is time for Treliving to make an adjustment and pull the plug on this coaching staff.

The winning streak masked a mediocre season performance vs talent wise and even during that streak they were never dominant, just getting breaks and playing ok.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

If our coach continues to mismanage the game at what point does the GM step in and make changes behind the bench?

I am again concerned that Treliving is incapable of making mid-season adjustments. This year it's coaching.

I'd love to see some difficult questions put to treliving about our special teams strategy.

This 100%

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hiller seldom played after the beginning of the season. Ramo and Ortio were decent to close out the season... and neither Elliott nor Johnson were terrific upgrades from Ramo's statistical level of play in 2015-16.

Ortio was decent to close out the season.

That was also after we traded away Jiri Hudler (who people forget played at a 55 point pace for us that year) and Kris Russell (who, for all his flaws... was/is a better NHLer than Jyrki Jokipakka) while the refs completely changed their officiating margins against our favour. Our offense dried up when Ortio played well. We didn't have Matthew Tkachuk or Mark Jankowski. Micheal Ferland had a shooting percentage of like 2% that season.

Ramo was decent that season... and had us in or close to a playoff spot between December and his injury.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Treliving should've paid the price for either one of Talbot, Bishop or Fleury.

Smith has played better than any of those three this year.

Tre's mistake is hiring a rookie collaborative teacher that understands concepts and talks a good game as opposed to a leader and task manager for a young team in need of structure and protection. His inability to fix this will continue to haunt this team. Think about where Toews and Kane would be today without Quenville.

Pittsburgh worked because you had a mature group that knew what it took. This team needs to learn how to get there and outside of Versteeg and maybe Frolik there is no one on this team that understands the mental side of what it takes to win big games.

Even Carlyle would have been a better option at the time.

[rotten42]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yup, over the top. Treliving has been trying to address the goaltending position since he arrived, and has failed. Nothing proven to date, and that includes Smith. Having watched him in Arizona I can say that I knew what we were getting into, and he has lived up to that expectation. He plays some great games, but he is inconsistent and is a horrible team mate - blaming his defense for everything that gets past him. But Treliving has nailed it! Just how many cracks did it take again?

Are you on drugs? Smith is the only reason we aren't down with the Coillers at this point of the season.

[Ashasx]

If there's one thing you can't bash Treliving for, it's Smith.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If there's one thing you can't bash Treliving for, it's Smith.

Yep. It was a bit of a bold move given his age but it paid off and has been his best move since the Hamilton trade. It's a shame he offset it with the Hamonic trade. Now Hamonic isn't a bad player but defense wasn't a position of need and he gave up so much for him that the only way this team can now address that lack of a scoring winger is to trade a defensemen for a scorer which kind of makes adding Hamonic a wash. Maybe throwing a bunch of money at Kane in free agency is the plan because really there aren't a lot of other options as the team doesn't appear to have a solution in its system and won't be drafting in the first round for another year. I'm just not exactly sure why he's assembled this team that's build to win games 1-0 and 2-1 as we have seen there's just no margin for error with this roster. Either the first line is going and they can score 3 goals on occasion or they aren't and the team has to rely on keeping the opposition to one goal or less.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Didn't we just have a streak of like 15-20 games without letting in more than 2 goals ? Goaltending is a asset for this team right now. Scoring depth and coaching is our issue. We need to bring in a guy like Hoffman, and preferably a new coach.

[Roof-Daddy]

He's built a pretty good team here.

If they had a decent powerplay, not even great....just decent, they'd be right on Vegas' heels for 1st in the Pacific.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's built a pretty good team here.

If they had a decent powerplay, not even great....just decent, they'd be right on Vegas' heels for 1st in the Pacific.

Exactly

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's built a pretty good team here.

If they had a decent powerplay, not even great....just decent, they'd be right on Vegas' heels for 1st in the Pacific.

I don't know if we'd be competing with Vegas, but absolutely you would have to believe that with average special teams, the Flames would be comfortably in the playoffs.

1-2 extra goals when given the opportunity on the powerplay during these last 5 games, and the narrative on this forum is a lot different. Now extrapolate that over the entire season.

It's frustrating to watch this.

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's built a pretty good team here.

If they had a decent powerplay, not even great....just decent, they'd be right on Vegas' heels for 1st in the Pacific.

I just sometimes wonder if we overrate the talent here as fans. I love this team but not sure if has the offensive skill it needs.

[Classic_Sniper]

I cannot believe Treliving still hasn’t addressed the 4th line of this team. We have a lot of our top players having career years and one who’s top 10 in scoring yet we’re still struggling mightily to score enough goals to win.

There’s something very wrong with that picture. We’re 50 games in and Lazar is still sitting at a goose egg and Matt Stajan has 2 points. If Stajan scored at the same pace as he did last season we’d probably have 2-3 additional wins and we all wouldn’t be as pissed off as we are right now.