[PGT] Flames lose 3-1 to the jolly gang of Bieksa and Kesler and friends

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

I think you can listen to the interview here...

http://jimrome.com/2017/04/05/kevin-bieksa/

Jim Rome and Kevin Bieksa.....no thanks

[cannon7]

The Ducks make beating the Flames look so easy. It's like they're not even trying. So frustrating. It's clear the Ducks have gotten into the Flames' heads.

[Jore]

it's frustrating that the flames get away from their game so easily. it's obvious that if they just played the same way as they had been the ducks wouldn't have stood a chance last night. the best road period they've played this year and they melt down from the start of the second.

why in the world was gulutzan playing the fourth line and bartkowski/engelland to start the period? these guys give up chances and zone time like there's no tomorrow and their inflated percentages are plummeting and have been hurting the team. why does gg start every period with brouwer? why are brouwer and bartkowski still in the line-up when they've been liabilities whenever they hit the ice? why does hamilton get 2 more minutes of even strength ice time than the bottom pair?

the winning streak masked some of the deployment problems and now they are bared for the whole league to see. there's nothing wrong with rolling every line/pairing but when your depth is so poor you're gonna get eaten alive if you insist on rolling the depth.

here's hoping for some long-overdue lineup changes next game, and that the guys who get in the lineup make a difference

[BigFlameDog]

Veteran team with plenty of deep end experience vs. young team with almost none. Flames need to learn and grow from it.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Well that <expletive deleted> sucked. I was so so sure they were gonna win.

No more predictions from me forthwith.

[McG]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

No hearing scheduled for Giordano (as expected), but of course Bieksa was front and center running his mouth:

Ducks blueliner Kevin Bieksa wasn’t happy with the hit. From the L.A. Times:

Bieksa said he didn’t get a good live view at the play but said, “It didn’t look clean. It didn’t sound clean.

“We’re a team that sticks up for each other. That’s always been one of our MOs. We’re a physical team. But you know what? We care about each other. We care about Cam. We don’t want to see a teammate on the ice, getting helped carried off, so we’re going to respond the way we did.”

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/04/05/...er-fowler-hit/

there you have it...just like a referee. "i didn't see it, but it wasn't clean and it didn't sound clean either."

[dustygoon]

I just watched the game. For the love of.....where is Bouma when the going gets tough? I see what you guys are saying. Gutless?

[dustygoon]

I just watched the game. For the love of.....where is Bouma when the going gets tough? I see what you guys are saying. Gutless?

[Aeneas]

Biggest body checks thrown all night were by Bouma.
It's Lance Bouma not Tim Hunter, he is not very good at fighting.

He dropped the gloves with Haley, a very tough guy and lost.
The same would happen if he fought Bieksa.

At least Bouma is hitting, he is good at that. Expecting him to fight tough guys is crazy. He hits, he does PK, he blocks shots fearlessly...I do not understand what else you want from him.

There are guys on the team much bigger than Bouma that shy away from most physical contact. Hamilton, Brouwer, Monahan, Chaisson.

The only guys on the Flames that should be fighting are Engelland and Ferland...well and Bennett of course.

I also would rather see Hathaway play (he is not a good fighter either) just dont understand the vitriol aimed at Bouma.

[Aeneas]

I forgot, even Johnny Gaudreau took a run at Ritchie, that was awesome. Combined with his slashing and crosschecks on Cogliano the game before...I love it.

Would it kill Monahan to finish a check at the least. I dont expect him to fight Kesler, but a little more physical play would be nice.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

No hearing scheduled for Giordano (as expected), but of course Bieksa was front and center running his mouth:

Ducks blueliner Kevin Bieksa wasn’t happy with the hit. From the L.A. Times:

Bieksa said he didn’t get a good live view at the play but said, “It didn’t look clean. It didn’t sound clean.

“We’re a team that sticks up for each other. That’s always been one of our MOs. We’re a physical team. But you know what? We care about each other. We care about Cam. We don’t want to see a teammate on the ice, getting helped carried off, so we’re going to respond the way we did.”

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/04/05/...er-fowler-hit/

They are team that sticks up for each other this is an important part of their success. Flames are starting to come together as a team and stick up for each other. I think we are on the right track, truculence is a team thing not an individual thing.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I just watched the game. For the love of.....where is Bouma when the going gets tough? I see what you guys are saying. Gutless?

Probably chumming with Boy Trouwer

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Probably chumming with Boy Trouwer

Good time for the coaches to sit guys like that to see if they really want to play. Stuff like that should be addressed before the playoffs so we have everyone pulling in the same direction.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Good time for the coaches to sit guys like that to see if they really want to play. Stuff like that should be addressed before the playoffs so we have everyone pulling in the same direction.

Agreed. Get Lazar in and call.up Hathaway. Tired of watching Brouwer and Bouma collect cheques.

[robaur]

We need Simon and Oliwa. Enough said.

Even Iginla at his age would be pretty damn good right now.

[868904]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Jim Rome and Kevin Bieksa.....no thanks

Bieksa is one of those guys you hate but would love on your team. He sounded pretty respectful of Gio in that interview, said Gio answered the bell.

There's a reason why his teammates, past and present love him. As a rival fan, you hate him cause he keeps the opposition honest. There's definitely some douchiness in his game like going after Bennett all night, but he did that because Bennett was very physical in that game. So Bieksa was just doing his job, making sure that Bennett wasn't taking any more runs at his teammates.

Flames honestly need more Bieksa types. I'd trade Brouwer and Bouma for Bieksa in a heartbeat.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 868904

Bieksa is one of those guys you hate but would love on your team. He sounded pretty respectful of Gio in that interview, said Gio answered the bell.

There's a reason why his teammates, past and present love him. As a rival fan, you hate him cause he keeps the opposition honest. There's definitely some douchiness in his game like going after Bennett all night, but he did that because Bennett was very physical in that game. So Bieksa was just doing his job, making sure that Bennett wasn't taking any more runs at his teammates.

Flames honestly need more Bieksa types. I'd trade Brouwer and Bouma for Bieksa in a heartbeat.

Yeah as much as I hate him he came off pretty good in the interview.

[browna]

No issue with Brouwer. Sure you'd like to see more results on the ice at times but vets like that don't have to be flying all over the place every game, and criticized like a scape goat if he's not. This guy has been through more playoff wars than anyone else on the roster, so I'll take that intangible heading into the playoffs and hope he lives up to his expectations there.

Bouma on the other hand needed to be in the penalty box a few times in the third, for fully engaging and forcing the Ducks to pay for their retaliation, more then Backlund was in the box,but no.

[868904]

Originally Posted by browna

No issue with Brouwer. Sure you'd like to see more results on the ice at times but vets like that don't have to be flying all over the place every game, and criticized like a scape goat if he's not. This guy has been through more playoff wars than anyone else on the roster, so I'll take that intangible heading into the playoffs and hope he lives up to his expectations there.

Bouma on the other hand needed to be in the penalty box a few times in the third, for fully engaging and forcing the Ducks to pay for their retaliation, more then Backlund was in the box,but no.

Gotta disagree with you here. I see it the opposite. Bouma has spilled a lot of blood for this team already. I wasn't happy with him shying away from Bieksa or not looking for a fight, but he has stood up for Flame teammates in the past, so i'll give him a longer leash.

Brouwer on the other hand, may have done all those things, but not for this team and not for his current teammates. Usually, a player like this, a power forward, will make his mark when he arrives to a new team. It didn't take Lucic long to announce his presence in Edmonton, ditto for Maroon. Whenever Iggy goes to a new team, you can bet he's dropping the gloves real soon to defend a teammate.

Brouwer has done none of that thus far and what's worse is he marginalized 21 slashes to the hand of the franchise player which ultimately broke said player's hand.

As far as I can see, Brouwer hasn't earned anything as a Calgary Flame. Warrener, an NHL veteran was pissed this morning. He can't see how Brouwer is being accepted or appreciated in that locker room right now and neither can I. What Brouwer has done in the past means nothing to the players in that Flames dressing room right now, what matters is what he does now for THIS team.

Honestly, I wonder if he's purposely playing like crap so that Vegas doesn't take him in the expansion draft.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by browna

No issue with Brouwer. Sure you'd like to see more results on the ice at times but vets like that don't have to be flying all over the place every game, and criticized like a scape goat if he's not. This guy has been through more playoff wars than anyone else on the roster, so I'll take that intangible heading into the playoffs and hope he lives up to his expectations there.

Bouma on the other hand needed to be in the penalty box a few times in the third, for fully engaging and forcing the Ducks to pay for their retaliation, more then Backlund was in the box,but no.

You're right, they don't have to be criticized. Problem is he was brought in and handed the A. The other problem is he doesn't act or deserve the A. Go ahead and be snake bitten. Struggle on the PP also, but you better put an effort in when the going gets tough. Monahan did a better job of standing up last night. Brouwer should be ashamed of himself.