Star Wars Rogue One thread with Spoilers

[Kswiss]

Oh and to just add. Vader was epic in this movie.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Kswiss

Just saw Rogue One recently and thought this was the best one so far. I enjoyed it a lot and liked how it ended. How the heck did no one survive? Awesome.

My question was "how was anyone surprised by this"

[CroFlames]

Off topic, but not worth it's own thread.

Do you own a box set of the first three, then the next three then TFA on it's own? Or did you buy that $90 set that includes all six movies.

I don't know what to buy, so I'm looking for suggestions. Preferably has the digital copy so I don't feel totally guilty being a pirate.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Off topic, but not worth it's own thread.

Do you own a box set of the first three, then the next three then TFA on it's own? Or did you buy that $90 set that includes all six movies.

I don't know what to buy, so I'm looking for suggestions. Preferably has the digital copy so I don't feel totally guilty being a pirate.

I went with the original trilogy on VHS, then the Special Editions on VHS, then Fantastic Final Lucas version in a weird flatbox VHS format, and then Episode One in the same flatbox format, that wasn't the same size as the first one but had a 35mm frame from the movie in it, then the three prequels individually on dvd, then the original three in a cool box set dvd.

I didn't buy VII. I'll wait for the complete saga just to prove that I'm not a sucker. Disney lost the wizardry of Lucas, and now I can once again exercise my own will.

[Buff]

I had the original trilogy on VHS, then I HAD to buy the THX VHS versions. THEN, I bought the special editions on VHS... because I was a sucker.

Then I bought the original trilogy on DVD as a box set, but purchased the prequel trilogy individually. That was when full screen or widescreen was an option. So, I had to correct my mistake and buy another box set for the prequel trilogy.

THEN.... I bought all six movies in the Blu-Ray box set when it first came out.

There was a DVD verision of the original trilogy that was NOT the special editions, but I found out about it too late and I've not been able to track it down.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I owned the THX versions on VHS.

Buff, you're talking about the 6 disc special editions on DVD. 3 discs were the special editions. The other 3 discs was the originals with no remastering at all. Not even the aspect ratio was fixed so they displayed with black bars at the top and sides. I own that one too. You can have mine if you want. But I'd recommend the Despecialized Editions.

They are a work of love by some very dedicated Star Wars fans. Basically it is Bluray, or very close to bluray, quality versions of the movies, but remastered to be as close to the originals as possible. They are easy to find online, but there is no official release. My god they are glorious.

[CaptainCrunch]

Just for fun from our friends at cracked.com. People tend to remember the EU with some nostalgia but a lot of it was just awful

http://www.cracked.com/article_24479...y-prequel.html

For the heck of it, here's moar

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5988376/the-1...anded-universe

and shy not MOAR!!!!

http://tosche-station.net/tosche-sta...nded-universe/

[Corral]

Rogue One is by far the best Star Wars movie on many counts IMO - cinematography (love the rise of the death star and the tidal waves), story line, acting, musical score, the story slowly builds with a climax right at the end, the rebel cause is shown for what it would truly be - a loose faction of competing groups, the heroin is not lame, people die brilliantly for the cause ... and Vader as a true villain again. If Rogue One was not part of the Star Wars line up, it would be up for several Oscars this year i think.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Corral

If Rogue One was not part of the Star Wars line up, it would be up for several Oscars this year i think.

Because being part of the Star Wars Lineup has really hindered the Oscar consideration for the rest of the Star Wars movies?

The accolades heaped upon Star Wars (wins in italics) by the Academy

A New Hope:
Best Art Direction
Best Costume Design
Best Film Editing
Best Original Score
Best Sound
Best Visual Effects
Special Achievement Award for Sound Effects Editing
Best Original Screenplay
Best Director
Best Picture

Empire Strikes Back:
Best Sound Mixing
Best Visual Effects
Best Original Score
Best Production Design

Return of the Jedi
Best Visual Effects
Best Art Direction
Best Sounds Effects Editing
Best Original Score
Best Sound

The Phantom Menace
Best Sound Editing
Best Visual Effects
Best Sound Mixing

Attack of the Clones
Best Visual Effects

Revenge of the Sith
Best Makeup

The Force Awakens
Best Original Score
Best Sound Editing
Best Sound Mixing
Best Film Editing
Best Visual Effects


So Rogue One should at the very least be up for: Best Visual Effects, Best Sound Mixing and Best Sound Editing simply by being a part of the Star Wars lineup rather than in spite of it.

[Corral]

yeah OK smartypants - i was getting at the real sort of nominations like the ones that the 1977 movie received, not 'best makeup'

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Corral

yeah OK smartypants - i was getting at the real sort of nominations like the ones that the 1977 movie received, not 'best makeup'

Yeah it won't get any of those because the heroine wasn't well developed, their sacrifice only makes sense with other movies in the timeline to show that their sacrifice pays off, the actual villain is lame and the villain that is made badass again isn't all that effective in the end and is only particularly menacing when he would show up in a sequel.

What are you left with if this is taken out of the Star Wars universe? Vader wouldn't be in it, and all your known protagonists die at the end where it is implied there is more story to tell. It is a setup for a sequel that doesn't have its main characters anymore. The ending only works with them being all sacrificed because it is setting up the story about Luke, Han, and Leia. That's why the characters are so disposable. The rest of the story has already been told, they don't need them to tell it.


It will get its technical category nominations because that is all it deserves.

[Locke]

Finally saw it tonight:

Firstly, I'm surprised at the vilification of the CGI of Tarkin/Leia. Tarkin was okay, my wife didnt even notice but even so, it was minor. I knew it was CGI in advance and didnt care and, like I said, my wife didnt even notice.

And Leia? Come on, that amount of outrage/disappointment over what amounts to a one-line cameo?

I really enjoyed it. I was curious about how they were going to pull off a story that pretty much everyone knows how it ends and with characters that pretty much everyone knows are going to die. I was impressed and pleased that they bit the bullet on that and just decided to make a really good one-off.

Making a Star Wars movie is hard, there is so much stuff that you have to operate within the context of, it has to make being creative fairly difficult and I think R1 did a great job of that especially considering that, again, anyone who is a Star Wars fan knows how it ends and knows the characters have to die.

And they have to operate withing the constraints of E3 and tie-in to E4 while being respectful of Rebels and Clone Wars, all in all I thought they did a great job.

When you consider this film within those constrictions it becomes even more impressive.

I suppose I looked past a lot of character development because, well, these people are all going to die, and some of the plot points because, well, we know they successfully steal the Death Star plans.

I was also impressed with them, considering all of the constraints above, taking the time and opportunity to plug ANH plot-points, the explanation of the Death Star's inexplicably ridiculous weakness was particularly well done.

Now, I've seen it all of once, even TFA's shine wore off a bit after a couple of viewings even though I maintain that from a story-telling perspective and setting up the new Universe it was an excellent film, I really liked Rogue One.

Its something that Star Wars fans have been calling for for a long time. A darker, grittier, more real Star Wars movie that doesnt solve all of it's problems with Wizards and Magic, but tells the story of the guys on the ground who were willing to die to accomplish their objectives.

Also, it changes a huge plot-point in the Star Wars Universe.

Apparently between Rogue One and ANH something happened to all of the Hispanics and Orientals, because after this everyone in the Star Wars Universe is British.

[FireGilbert]

I finally saw this and it was a great film even though it is not anything ground breaking or thought provoking. I was a little worried at the slow start jumping to random planets but it got really good in the second half and the battle scene was epic. Definitely the best space battle in any Star Wars film. The Vader attack was also freaking awesome even though it was basically fan service that didn't effect the story. A few other thoughts:

-The CGI on Tarkin was okay but he still looked like an uncanny combination of real life and the Rebels animated series. Considering he had a decent role in this film maybe re-casting would have been a better choice. Oh and CGI Leia was horrible but not a big deal for only a few seconds.

-I liked that they explained the Death Star weakness but it was still a really complex plan that required getting a message to the Rebels, assuming they can win a battle to steal the plans, then conduct a direct attack with a very lucky shot by a force sensitive. Wouldn't it have been easier to have used metric instead of imperial on a few calculations or gone with Windows Vista for the operating system?

-I like they showed disharmony in the Rebel Alliance, but are you really telling me they had their first victory because 20 or so soldiers were inspired by a speech and no one attempted to arrest them for insubordination or even try to stop them at all?

-I thought a few Rebel ships managed to escape with the plans before Vader showed up or did they all get destroyed? If ships other than Leia's had the plans it completely changes the stakes in Episode IV.

-Props to Disney for killing everyone off. I assumed at least Jyn would survive so that was an interesting surprise.

-Doesn't Luke Skywalker fly with Rogue Squadron in Empire? It's kind of cool this movie explains how that call-sign was created.

[GGG]

What now is the correct watching order of the star wars movies?

It used to be 4,5, 1,2,3, 6,7

As you started with the introduction into a non-complicated universe viewed through a young Luke who knows little other than there is a rebellion going on up to the big reveal in Empire. The you go back and find out how Darth Vader and the emperor rose to power. Then you watch the redemption of Vader and the fall of the emperor. And then you move onto 7 to see the after math.

So the question now is when do you watch rogue one. If you watch it first you start with this big universe you know nothing about and have to infer why these two factions are fighting each other. If you watch it anytime after 4 you already know the ending.

I think it should be watched after your done the rest of the universe though it could be watched before 6/7. So at a minimum 4,5,1,2,3 should be watched first.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Corral

yeah OK smartypants - i was getting at the real sort of nominations like the ones that the 1977 movie received, not 'best makeup'

Then it would have to be a really good movie on it's own merit and not just a good Star Wars movie. Because Lucas nearly destroyed the franchise I feel the last two movies have become a little overrated on the basis of simply being a lot better than episodes 1, 2, 3. Entertaining movie for sure. Best Motion picture worthy? Not even close. Star Trek beyond was a good movie as well but nobody's going to trumpet that for Oscars either.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GGG

What now is the correct watching order of the star wars movies?

It used to be R1 4,5, 1,2,3, 6,7

There you go.

[CaptainCrunch]

Personally

Its

1,2, Clone Wars 3 Rebels Rogue 1, 4,5,6 7

[underGRADFlame]

Episode 1, 2, Clone Wars series, 3, Rebels Series, R1, 4, 5, 6, 7...

I plan on re-watching everything again front to back... although Clone Wars was so out of sequence I need to find the proper viewing order for that.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Corral

Rogue One is by far the best Star Wars movie on many counts IMO - cinematography (love the rise of the death star and the tidal waves), story line, acting, musical score, the story slowly builds with a climax right at the end, the rebel cause is shown for what it would truly be - a loose faction of competing groups, the heroin is not lame, people die brilliantly for the cause ... and Vader as a true villain again. If Rogue One was not part of the Star Wars line up, it would be up for several Oscars this year i think.

In what universe was this musical score better?

I have the definitive answer: In not a single one of the multiverses and dimensions contained within those mulit-verses was the score for Rogue One better than the John Williams scores in the original trilogy.

End.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GGG

What now is the correct watching order of the star wars movies?

Start with the Prequel Recut, to minimize the amount of time you waste on that garbage:

Spoiler!

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Then move on to Clone Wars. but I feel like someone should cut Clone Wars down into the "essential" episodes and eliminate any filler or crap - post a list of the truly important episodes, which I imagine would be about 25% of the series. Some of that show really sucked. Granted, some was mucho fun.

Then Rogue One, ANH, ESB, ROTJ, TFA.

I don't see why Rebels should be necessary. Even Clone Wars borders on "too kiddy" a lot of the time, but is fairly crucial as the only real way to bring yourself to care at all about Anakin Skywalker as a character, in light of how terrible the prequels were. Rebels, from the admittedly limited amount of it I've seen, is even worse - it doesn't need to be watched by anyone over the age of 14, and I can't see how it would add much of anything to the overall storyline.