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Old 11-09-2016, 11:14 AM   #341
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Absolutely there's examples both ways. Unfortunately that doesn't make the problems of rampant sexual assault in Sweden, for one example, go away.

It's a very real issue even if most Muslim immigrants are "good."
I'm not in disagreement with that.

But I'm tired of people making bigoted statements and expecting not to be called out on it.

If you have a nuanced point to make, make a nuanced point.

Saying "muslim immigrants are a problem" is bigoted. I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt. I will take your words at face value.
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And god forbid anything happens to him over the next four years, as Mike Pence is 10x scarier...but I say that as a gay guy.
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And god forbid anything happens to him over the next four years, as Mike Pence is 10x scarier...but I say that as a gay guy.
God damn it. A guy who believes in electro-shock therapy to cure the gay is heartbeat away from the presidency. What the ####.
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Trump isn't ideologically lined up with the tea party. Not even close. He is a Democrat.

The truth is, both parties have shifted quite far left this cycle.
They can figure out amongst themselves if the want to be the Trump Party or the Tea Party. They share a lot of the same ideologies though. I'm not really seeing anything in Trump's platform that would be described as close to Democrat idealogies.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:16 AM   #347
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I don't think Trump has a clear and cohesive ideology (he is too reactionary and impulsive probably to adhere to one).

He just wanted to be president and did what it took. His vehicle was the Republican party. It's not an American thing either. Politicians all over the world use political parties as their mechanism to gain power.

I think with the case of Trump, the party hopes to control him. I'm not sure they will be able to though.
Sure they will. He's a deeply insecure man. They'll cater to his ego enough to get him to do whatever they want.
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So now that I've had the chance to sleep on it, I'm trying to rationalize the decision. The best I can come up with is how the right felt when Obama was elected. They have a laundry list of things he was going to destroy. And here we are 8 years later and the world hasn't ended. So now that the tables are turned, the left is thinking the same way. Maybe things wont be as bad as they are envisioning?

Long term they have much bigger problems that will take generations to fix and being regressive wont solve them.
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Yeah I don't know what happened to /r/politics. They were censoring/deleting everything that was Anti-Hillary/Pro-Trump even if it was true (even some Pro-Sanders posts). It basically became a huge Hilary circle jerk.
I suspect that was a backlash against /r/the_donald. I blocked both in RES and my front page was all the better for it.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:19 AM   #350
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So now that I've had the chance to sleep on it, I'm trying to rationalize the decision. The best I can come up with is how the right felt when Obama was elected. They have a laundry list of things he was going to destroy. And here we are 8 years later and the world hasn't ended. So now that the tables are turned, the left is thinking the same way. Maybe things wont be as bad as they are envisioning?

Long term they have much bigger problems that will take generations to fix and being regressive wont solve them.
The biggest thing is the amount of control the GOP have to appoint to the SCOTUS. It really will be bad on that front.
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Long term they have much bigger problems that will take generations to fix and being regressive wont solve them.
The US needs to disband.

Too many ideologies under one flag. That's why they're always segregated into these racial and gender groups. Ridiculous.

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So now that I've had the chance to sleep on it, I'm trying to rationalize the decision. The best I can come up with is how the right felt when Obama was elected. They have a laundry list of things he was going to destroy. And here we are 8 years later and the world hasn't ended. So now that the tables are turned, the left is thinking the same way. Maybe things wont be as bad as they are envisioning?

Long term they have much bigger problems that will take generations to fix and being regressive wont solve them.
One thing that has always bugged me is the amount of Obama haters who wanted the country to fail, and even when it was thriving, still made themselves believe that things were awful. I don't want to be like them. It's tough though because I have a hard time saying to myself I want him to be a good president.
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I agree with a lot of this. People are tired of being lied to. That doesn't mean you pick the media celebrity billionaire power broker candidate who has lied more than any other candidate in history. That's like being tired of people vandalizing your home with graffiti so you burn it down. You sure showed 'em!
Pretty debatable that Trump has lied more than Hillary. She shoukd be in prison right now. I digress...

Nobody is arguing that Trump is a great candidate. But the blame lies with the puppet media and the establishment for picking a horrible candidate and human being, rigging the primaries, and assuming Americans would obediently vote for whomever they were told.

Any "normal" qualified candidate would have won this election easily. On either side. And without the MSM shilling.

Trying to control the process and the narrative backfired.
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The US needs to disband.

Too many ideologies under one flag. That's why they're always segregated into these racial and gender groups. Is there any other country that has a "black" vote or "white" vote? Ridiculous.
Canada has the whole "west vs. east" and "French vs. English" thing. Different, but similar I think.

But I think there is a lot of truth that smaller independent states have benefits. Nation states as we know them won't be the dominant form of state structure in a couple hundred years (just my opinion), but there will be ever changing blocs of micro states, but that is a huge other discussion.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:27 AM   #357
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California can be a Canadian province!
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I saw they wanted to Secede, but that would leave the rest of the country bright red forever.
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What is the realistic influx of Americans moving here? It won't be easy as some of them think. Is the great flood complete hyperbole?
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