You get the point. When scouting him in junior, how did the Flames see a Center? I never saw one and I watched him a lot. Bennett's favourite move in junior was the rush down the right side and cutting in from his off-wing to either set a play up or get a shot on net. He scored plenty of goals that way. It's all in the highlights.
I said it a couple posts earlier but I really don't like the way that the Flames have handled this kid.
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It's been a month since someone referred to Ferland as a "unicorn" because he's so special. Views of him have always been a little wonky.
Really don't think Bennett can be compared to Ferland at all. Bennett is a talented player, and has plenty of skills, just needs to move to wing, take the pressure of center off, and find his game again.
At the end of the day as well, I think it's just as important that Bennett is getting another potentially good player to play with than it is that he's being moved to the wing.
Bennett's year on the wing with Backlund/Frolik was impressive, just as Tkachuk is impressing on that line as well. Being the "3rd guy" on a tandem that has established chemistry is a lot easier than being the catalyst on a line with the left over scraps. It would have been awesome to see Bennett carry that 3rd line, but when playing with Brouwer (just awful on any line except the 4th), Versteeg (PP Specialist), and the odd game with Ferland or a shift with Gaudreau every now and then isn't going to allow for a lot of success. Sure, Bennett should have just focused on playing sound defence - but how many young, non-elite centres are out there doing that at Bennett's age? No one is.
As excited as I am to see Jankowski in the NHL, I'm even more excited to see Jankowski + Bennett form a 3rd tandem up front.
You get the point. When scouting him in junior, how did the Flames see a Center? I never saw one and I watched him a lot. Bennett's favourite move in junior was the rush down the right side and cutting in from his off-wing to either set a play up or get a shot on net. He scored plenty of goals that way. It's all in the highlights.
I said it a couple posts earlier but I really don't like the way that the Flames have handled this kid.
Sam Bennett maybe needs to watch Sam Bennett highlights from Juniors to get a little confidence boost, because he looks so dynamic in those highlights (although the level of defence in juniors is pretty low compared to nhl).
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There are 21 players who have currently played 50 or more games in the NHL from the 2014 NHL draft.
Out of those 21 players, Sam Bennett is ranked 14 out of 21 in points per game.
Only players worse than Bennett are:
- Brendan Perlini (#12)
- Ondrej Kase (#205)
- Kevin Fiala (#11)
- Nick Ritchie (#10)
- Jared McCann (#24)
- Jake Virtanen (#6)
- Nikita Tryamkin (#66)
All of those, except McCann and Ritchie, have played less than a full season in the NHL.
- McCann has already been traded from Vancouver to Florida.
- Ritchie has struggled with injuries but is getting developed by playing on the 1st line with Ryan Getzlaf mostly when he does play.
Of the players that have played atleast 150 games in the NHL, Sam Bennett's points/game is the worst.
This is the list of those players (ranked highest to lowest in pts/game):
- David Pastrnak
- Leon Draisaitl
- Nikolaj Ehlers
- Viktor Arvidsson
- Sam Reinhart
- Dylan Larkin
- Aaron Ekblad
- Sam Bennett
All of those players, except Bennett, are playing Top 6 roles with their team with significant PP time. Only Sam Reinhart just started playing 3C as he was moved off Eichel's line but he is still getting top PP time.
This should show that there is clearly a major issue with Bennett's development/trajectory especially after where he was ranked/drafted.
I think the organization has soundly mismanaged his development, but the blame also has to be shared by the player as well.
At this point, Bennett is headed more and more down the path of Yakupov, who was traded by the Oilers after he had played 252 games in the NHL. A player who had Hockey IQ issues and hasn't furthered his career much at all since he left the Oilers.
At the end of this season, Bennett will have played 244 games in the NHL. This has become a very serious issue, and should definitely be troubling to the fan base.
The comparisons with Backlund are way off-base as the draft selection/ranking was completely different as was the career projection.
As of right now, Sam Bennett's career projections as a 1st line center who contributes 65+ points per season are on life support. Everyone needs to realize that.
So... you're suggesting he appears to be the 8th best player from his draft. class???
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Watching those highlights he looks so fast and extremely skilled. I see why we were all so excited for this kid and why we are all so excited for him to break out.
One thing is quite clear to me after watching. He belongs on the wing
Watching those highlights he looks so fast and extremely skilled. I see why we were all so excited for this kid and why we are all so excited for him to break out.
One thing is quite clear to me after watching. He belongs on the wing
I feel like this has been the dominant viewpoint on CP for quite some time. Fans advocating for him to continue as a center are probably just not watching enough games to realize how obvious it is. At this point you just hope that it hasn't gone on too long and he is able to regain some degree of the form he showed 2 years ago.
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An elite center is a bit more valuable than an elite winger, can't blame the flames brass for hoping for a center, but it's clearly not working and the experiment needs to be put on the shelf for a while.
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An elite center is a bit more valuable than an elite winger, can't blame the flames brass for hoping for a center, but it's clearly not working and the experiment needs to be put on the shelf for a while.
Barring injury I would question their own sanity if they ever go back to it again. They tried and it failed miserably.
The Franchise still has Monahan, Backlund and Jankowski down the middle so there is little concern from that standpoint. Time to focus on the prospect who's more physically suited to play that position and hope you haven't ruined Bennett as an offensive, top 6 winger in the process.
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Centers have broken into the NHL as wingers, then gone back to center once they got comfortable in the league. Center depth will never be a sure thing, Bennett will get another kick at the can eventually.
Thanks for posting the video........ Ugh, all that skill is in there somewhere. When will we get to see it again. If we had him able to play this type of game at the NHL level some day, this team would be at another level.
So... you're suggesting he appears to be the 8th best player from his draft. class???
Look a little deeper. There are several defencemen from that draft (Fleury, Honka, Montour, DeAngelo) that are rounding out nicely, as well as a bunch of other forwards (Schmaltz, Fabbri, Ho-Sang, Dvorak, Point) who have shown more (on a PPG basis) in a smaller sample size than Bennett. He'll have to really up his game to reach 10th best player from his draft class.
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Look a little deeper. There are several defencemen from that draft (Fleury, Honka, Montour, DeAngelo) that are rounding out nicely, as well as a bunch of other forwards (Schmaltz, Fabbri, Ho-Sang, Dvorak, Point) who have shown more (on a PPG basis) in a smaller sample size than Bennett. He'll have to really up his game to reach 10th best player from his draft class.
I won't because I don't actually care how he's ranked... I was simply pointing out he wasn't making the argument he intended to make.
Even if the 4th overall pick ends up bong the 10th best player, I'd hardly say that makes the pick a flop, or that it means he's a 'bad player'... anyway, Go Flames Go!
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Look a little deeper. There are several defencemen from that draft (Fleury, Honka, Montour, DeAngelo) that are rounding out nicely, as well as a bunch of other forwards (Schmaltz, Fabbri, Ho-Sang, Dvorak, Point) who have shown more (on a PPG basis) in a smaller sample size than Bennett. He'll have to really up his game to reach 10th best player from his draft class.
Care to make it interesting and put your prediction in your signature like the other poster did for Backlund?
Centers have broken into the NHL as wingers, then gone back to center once they got comfortable in the league. Center depth will never be a sure thing, Bennett will get another kick at the can eventually.
Not with the roster as it is currently set up he wont. I'm willing to bet it will be abundantly clear tonight that Jankowski is already a better third line center than Bennett is/was/will be. I'm also guessing we will immediately wonder why Bennett has not been playing the wing all year as he will look much closer to the player from his rookie year.
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I understand the need to play Ferland on the top line to start the year but he may be the kind of guy that needs to build himself and his play up slowly each year. Last year, he played mostly on the bottom two lines and played great for a while on the 4th line with Freddie and Hathaway. When called up to the top line he was white hot. Maybe we should let him get his game going on the bottom 2 lines and if needed when he plays well try him on a top line to see if you can get a good offensive streak out of him.
You get the point. When scouting him in junior, how did the Flames see a Center? I never saw one and I watched him a lot. Bennett's favourite move in junior was the rush down the right side and cutting in from his off-wing to either set a play up or get a shot on net. He scored plenty of goals that way. It's all in the highlights.
I said it a couple posts earlier but I really don't like the way that the Flames have handled this kid.
Have the Flames brass taken a look at this? Bennett is so clearly a winger.
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