The 2016 US American Election Thread

[Senator Clay Davis]

This week isn't going so well for Donny Sniffles

A video of Donald Trump testifying under oath about his provocative rhetoric about Mexicans and other Latinos is set to go public as soon as Friday, drawing new attention to those comments just weeks before voters cast their ballots in the presidential race.

Trump gave the testimony in June at a law office in Washington in connection with one of two lawsuits he filed last year after prominent chefs reacted to the controversy over his remarks by pulling out of plans to open restaurants at his new D.C. hotel.

D.C. Superior Court Judge Brian Holeman said in an order issued Thursday evening that fears the testimony might show up in campaign commercials were no basis to keep the public from seeing the video.

"This Court finds that Plaintiff has not demonstrated that any subject video deposition contains scandalous, libelous, or other unduly prejudicial material warranting denial of media access," Holeman wrote. "The public shall not be held captive by the suggested eventuality of partisan editing in a manner unfavorable to Plaintiff or the deponents."

Lawyers for Trump previously requested that the video of his deposition, as well as those of his son Donald Jr. and his daughter Ivanka, be sealed, but the judge denied that request. However, the videos remained inaccessible because they were filed directly with judge's chambers and the court's docketing system doesn't allow access to exhibits like videos.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-...#ixzz4Ll3t1eVx

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I agree with the jobs point, those jobs are not coming back, nor should they, but Trump has won with the persuasion that they could. Right now those people who are un/under-employed see 8 more years of Obama/Hillary as unacceptable (and who can blame them) economically.

Then the societal issues, they see radical Islamic terrorism as a threat, (he plays to that), and illegal immigration as a threat (also plays to that). These are not issues or fears Trump made up, but is simply responding to the natural fears average American's already have.

Acting as if fears or skepticism (take either the above examples, or even the interracial marriage example given) is rational or fact based is dismissing how the human brain works. People are fearful of change and the unknown. It is not looking for facts. It can only work past these issues when the mind realises the issue it is not cause for fear or worry, just like interracial marriage and gay marriage have become. Just like every major societal change.....ever.

Democrats and Trump's detractors think giving facts or attacking him is going to make people change their mind about him (and by extension) these issues, when in reality, supporters' concerns are being perfectly catered to, and arguing only strengthens their resolve (see:Anti-vaxxers).

Who thinks that? Why would anyone want to try to reason with a hardcore Trump supporter? You might as well talk to a brick wall. There's a reason Clinton basically called a good chunk of his supporters complete write offs, because they are from a Democrat's perspective. Clinton is never going to get the support of someone who gets fired up at the idea of banning Muslims from entering the country or building a wall along the Mexican border.

Democrats are attacking Trump and highlighting his inadequacies in order to get the support of swing voters in key states. That and because he's the worst and most unqualified major party candidate for president in the near 250 year history of the country which is why you're seeing some moderate Republicans attack him as well.

People always suspected that a certain percentage of the country on the right would vote Republican no matter how bad and unqualified the candidate, I think they're just surprised to actually see it in action to this degree which is why he's getting so much attention. But you don't win the Presidency if that's all the support you get. Democrats know this and that's why they're not going to waste their time trying to attract his hardcore supporters.

Maybe swing voters are immune to reason too, but so far their support of Trump has pretty much moved in lockstep with his high and low points of the campaign. When he has embarrassed himself and put his foot in his mouth they've moved to Clinton; when he has generally shut up and let Clinton hang herself, some of them have moved back to him. If Clinton wasn't the 2nd most unlikable candidate for President in US history this race would've probably been over long ago.

[Flash Walken]

Hillary might have been too conservative with her estimate about the amount of racists Trump counts on for support.

The US is really only one generation removed from blacks as second class citizens as enshrined by the federal government.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Hillary might have been too conservative with her estimate about the amount of racists Trump counts on for support.

The US is really only one generation removed from blacks as second class citizens as enshrined by the federal government.

Yeah, I was in Oxford, MS a few years ago and it struck me how not all that long prior to that, thousands of people had rioted and attacked US Marshals and National Guardsmen (~200 of which ended up wounded or injured) because a black kid wanted to go to the university in that town. Most of the university aged kids involved in that riot and its aftermath are probably still alive and voting as are the children who grew up in that climate.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/danielwagne...pbB#.irDJV7kwV

If anyone us curious to watch the deposition tapes or read the transcripts. I'm just skimming it right now, haven't got to the juicy stuff yet. They were discussing his brand and what it was worth, Trump said a valuation was 2 billion. I thought he said somewhere before it was worth 10 billion? Or am I remembering wrong?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Often he tweets stuff that makes you do a double check that the verified tag is actually there and it's not a parody account.

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 21m21 minutes ago
For those few people knocking me for tweeting at three o'clock in the morning, at least you know I will be there, awake, to answer the call!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...26033159249920

[troutman]

Trump is praising people for cancelling subscriptions to Dallas and Phoenix newspapers.

Reading is bad.

[MissTeeks]

lol:

[ResAlien]

The conspiracy is real. News reports indicate now there were issues with his microphone. Classic MSM trying to sway the public against the non establishment candidate.

[bob-loblaw]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The conspiracy is real. News reports indicate now there were issues with his microphone. Classic MSM trying to sway the public against the non establishment candidate.

Yeah, okay. You could hear him from Calgary without a microphone anyways. Besides, wasn't there one on the podium and one on his lapel? I'd say his loud noises probably broke it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The conspiracy is real. News reports indicate now there were issues with his microphone. Classic MSM trying to sway the public against the non establishment candidate.

So a plot to have people hear less of him. Wouldn't that benefit him?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The conspiracy is real. News reports indicate now there were issues with his microphone. Classic MSM trying to sway the public against the non establishment candidate.

Yes, if it wasn't for that damned microphone Trump wouldn't have sounded like an incoherent drunken train wreck, I'm sure it was the mic that caused him to continue acting like a coked out frat boy the next day and kept him up tweeting like one of my stoned foster kids at 3am this morning.

[FlamesAddiction]

There was an issue with the microphone. It had a big ####### attached to it.

[ResAlien]

If there weren't slight audio issues that were unnoticeable to anyone except him it stands to reason that Donald would have not only won that debate but likely would have forced an early election to be called, winning in landslide fashion.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Sorry, are these your words or are you paraphrasing Trump supporters? That's a whole bunch of dog-whistle terms crammed into one sentence.

I assume Trump supporters. That's what is attractive to his supporters. He tells it "like it is".

[burn_this_city]

He was still able to shout over her so I don't know what kind of issue it really was.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Often he tweets stuff that makes you do a double check that the verified tag is actually there and it's not a parody account.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...26033159249920

You know who else tweets at 3 AM? Drunks and cokeheads.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Donald Trump’s business empire owes hundreds of millions of dollars to a giant German bank cast into crisis by settlement negotiations with the Justice Department, a relationship some lawyers say sheds light on the massive financial entanglements he could face as president.

Federal regulators are seeking a $14 billion fine from Deutsche Bank, Trump’s top lender, to settle claims that the bank issued toxic mortgages amid the housing crisis. German media have suggested the bank has sought a state bailout that could lead to partial ownership of the bank by the German government.

As head of the executive branch, he’d oversee the Justice Department and the United States' relations with the rest of the world. But he’d still have a lengthy series of financial relationships with private institutions and countries with business before the United States.

“It’s certainly foreseeable that he could intervene with the DOJ so as to not upset the financing of his companies,” said Trevor Potter, a former Federal Election Commission chairman and general counsel of George H.W. Bush and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).

It’s “unthinkable in recent history,” Potter said, that “there’s the possibility of a president being able to affect his own personal financial interests, conceivably to the detriment of the general public.”

Alan Garten, executive vice president and general counsel of the Trump Organization, said, “I don’t see the conflict,” and drew a parallel to Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s global philanthropy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...federal-fines/

[nik-]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You know who else tweets at 3 AM? Drunks and cokeheads.

And people waiting for a call.

... from their dealer, telling them where to meet them to get the cocaine.

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't have an issue with someone being up at that time. But man, they need to keep him off the Twitter. I can't believe he doesn't have people filtering his social media postings. And if he does, they are terrible.