Fort Mac Wildfire Thread

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

Re military assistance:

At this time, Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) and a C-17 w/MAMS on stand-by.

MAMS is Mobile Air Movements Squadron. These would be the guys loading/unloading the cargoes.

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

I should further add that, while the Federal government received the request for assistance, the actual requirement (pers and eqpt) hasn't yet been defined (to my knowledge) by the Alberta government.

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Can anyone give any clarity on military assistance? I'm seeing conflicting reports around the word "called in". This article seems to be ambiguous.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2679360/fo...ill-they-help/

That makes it sound like they've actually been called in.



This makes it sound like the military has called their own people to be ready to go but that an official request from the province hasn't happened yet.


If the latter, why the **** has the military not been called in yet?!?!?

The Baron is your best source, considering he is in and active.

[Frequitude]

Baron, does it puzzle you that the actual requirement and request hasn't been made by the Alberta government?

[troutman]

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[Tron_fdc]

Just heard from a client up there, said he's ok and family is ok as well which is good to hear. His facility is right across the street from a few places that burned down, and I think it made it through.

Also said the support from the province is unbelievable. Albertans really don't F around when it comes to helping each other.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Nope, not hacked. If you look at his history, he is always an idiot. That guy is to the NDP what the "lake of fire" idiots were to Wildrose.

I once worked with him. I never had much respect for him. This just reinforces things.

[MrMastodonFarm]

For the record, Fort McMurray Fire Cheif Darby Allen is an absolute all-star.

[jschick88]

Michael Wood ‏@MichaelRHWood 22 seconds ago
Notley: As things stand right now, there has been "fairly significant destruction." Roughly 1,600 structures at this point. #ymmfire

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Baron, does it puzzle you that the actual requirement and request hasn't been made by the Alberta government?

The MND received the request and DND is working with the government of Alberta to define the requirement.

A C-17 was scheduled to leave Trenton at 1130 EDT today with a MAMS crew. I assume it did, but I cannot confirm.

Mr Goodale, the Minister of Public Safety, is expected to make a statement sometime today.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Jason Markusoff ‏@markusoff 17s18 seconds ago
Notley: 1600 structures in Mcmurray damaged/destroyed by fires. Roughly triple the damage of Slave Lake fire in 2011

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Jason Markusoff ‏@markusoff 17s18 seconds ago
Notley: 1600 structures in Mcmurray damaged/destroyed by fires. Roughly triple the damage of Slave Lake fire in 2011

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[jschick88]

Michel Boyer ‏@BoyerMichel 2m
Premier Notley says fire is expected to move into Timberlea and Thickwood. #ymmfire

[corporatejay]

Obviously just speculation at this point however how much smoke damage has been done to buildings and does that compromise the structual integrity?

[jschick88]

Heartbreaking.

Michel Boyer ‏@BoyerMichel 1m
AB wildfires expects fire to spread west and south. Basically, engulf the whole city. #ymmfire

[V]

Seriously? I thought it was pretty much all done at this point. It's going to get worse?

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Heartbreaking.

Michel Boyer ‏@BoyerMichel 1m
AB wildfires expects fire to spread west and south. Basically, engulf the whole city. #ymmfire

Weren't there just reports that the fire in the city was extinguished? Was that wishful thinking, or are these reports inaccurate?

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

The structure should be 100% insurable but contents will have limits. Of course its different for everyone and every company. Insurance companies only need to get emergency funds for hotels and living expenses that is the priority, sad truth is that the houses although insured will not be rebuilt any time soon.

In widespread disasters such as this one, I often wonder if the insureds, who in any other disaster would be fully-insured, quickly become under-insured.

Given the sudden demand for construction talent, prices for the same will increase beyond "normal," and quite possibly the supply of construction materials will diminish below usual levels with a corresponding rise in their cost. What would normally cost $500K to rebuild now may cost $600K, and I question whether the insurance companies (or the government) will accept the increased cost burden in order to make the policy-holders whole.

[nik-]

yeah wtf? I thought they said it was out. I realize that embers can be blown into fires again, but already it's that bad again?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

In widespread disasters such as this one, I often wonder if the insureds, who in any other disaster would be fully-insured, quickly become under-insured.

Given the sudden demand for construction talent, prices for the same will increase beyond "normal," and quite possibly the supply of construction materials will diminish below usual levels with a corresponding rise in their cost. What would normally cost $500K to rebuild now may cost $600K, and I question whether the insurance companies (or the government) will accept the increased cost burden in order to make the policy-holders whole.

Many policies have Guaranteed Replacement Cost.

[Yamer]

I think the fact they had it under control within the city is a damn miracle, but from what I hear they had always expected it to be worse than yesterday.

At that point all they could do was hope for another miracle, such as the wind cooperating.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Weren't there just reports that the fire in the city was extinguished? Was that wishful thinking, or are these reports inaccurate?

Originally Posted by nik-

yeah wtf? I thought they said it was out. I realize that embers can be blown into fires again, but already it's that bad again?

All fires within the city but that thing is still raging in all the trees surrounding. Another hot windy afternoon is predicted and could blow in again and take out what's left.