Who should the Flames pick at 6th overall?

[dammage79]

God I love that Kylington pick still to this day.

[VladtheImpaler]

Oh for the love of Jebus, can we merge these 2 threads, that are both at the top and exactly the same? Yeah, I know, get off my lawn.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Eric

The flames management might just be saying they have a clear top 6 because they don't want to seem desperate to move up. If they tell everyone there's a ledge at 5 teams will try to get more out of them in order to move up.

I think you may be on to something. The Flames made that statement before the lottery, but they did so knowing that the chances of them drafting fifth was pretty remote (9.1%) and they would most likely draft 6th (35.5%) with less than 30% chance they would pick 7th or 8th (it wouldn't matter if they were in the top 3 as the shelf there is pretty well accepted league wide). And as has been stated earlier, the Flames are very good at not leaking information. So why would they say there is a drop off after the top 6?

Eric explained why they wouldn't say there is a drop off after 5, but why wouldn't they say after 7 instead in case they got the 7th pick? I think that they might have gambled on not getting the 7th in order to make the 6th more valuable, using the same reasoning that Eric gave for the 5th being more valuable if there was a shelf at 5.

Of course, they really could believe that there is a big difference between 6 and 7.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I think the story has changed somewhat since the lottery, but I do recall Burke (although it might have been BT), indicate that they were entirely comfortable that they would get a good prospect, even picking at 8. Doesn't preclude a "ledge" at 6, but the drop off isn't that steep.
I am still of the view that the 4-15 picks will be all over the place, and that the Flames will state that they "got their guy" at 6.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by John Doe

I think you may be on to something. The Flames made that statement before the lottery, but they did so knowing that the chances of them drafting fifth was pretty remote (9.1%) and they would most likely draft 6th (35.5%) with less than 30% chance they would pick 7th or 8th (it wouldn't matter if they were in the top 3 as the shelf there is pretty well accepted league wide). And as has been stated earlier, the Flames are very good at not leaking information. So why would they say there is a drop off after the top 6?

Eric explained why they wouldn't say there is a drop off after 5, but why wouldn't they say after 7 instead in case they got the 7th pick? I think that they might have gambled on not getting the 7th in order to make the 6th more valuable, using the same reasoning that Eric gave for the 5th being more valuable if there was a shelf at 5.

Of course, they really could believe that there is a big difference between 6 and 7.

Wow.

Ya, much more likely they actually feel there's a Top 6

[Eric]

**Puts on tinfoil hat**

They were also saying theres a "Ledge" at 8 before the lottery took place. 8th was the lowest the flames could possibly pick. I honestly think they are just trying to use any leverage they can to possibly make a deal.

https://www.nhl.com/video/brian-burk...912/c-43770503

He talks about having a ledge at 8 around 2:00 min mark and 7:30

[Street Pharmacist]

Lol. Good catch Eric

[AC]

Could also be that they see it as:

1-3
*****
4-6
*****
7-8
*****

Treliving said: "Then after six, I've got another line there," he said. "Then there's seven and there might be a little bit of a drop to eight."

[1qqaaz]

It's interesting how Burke thinks the guys who go 4-8 will survive to at least the end of camp. They must all be close to NHL-ready.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It's interesting how Burke thinks the guys who go 4-8 will survive to at least the end of camp. They must all be close to NHL-ready.

It could depend on the team as well. Maybe he sees 1-8 as ready to make it far in camp on our team. We are weak at D and RW, so maybe our list would have them going deep in camp because of that. A team like the Ducks they may not go that far into camp. Don't know if I'm explaining this properly, but hope you get what in saying.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

It could depend on the team as well. Maybe he sees 1-8 as ready to make it far in camp on our team. We are weak at D and RW, so maybe our list would have them going deep in camp because of that. A team like the Ducks they may not go that far into camp. Don't know if I'm explaining this properly, but hope you get what in saying.

Sorry i think you lost me at the we are weak at D part. I can't see any Dman drafted this year that could contend with what we already have.

[CliffFletcher]

Burke is an extremely entertaining sports personality, and I'm glad he's in the Flames organization. But I take every word he utters with a huge grain of salt. When Burke is being interviewed, he's engaging in a kind of theatre, and his answers rarely have any connection with reality. It's all blarney.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Sorry i think you lost me at the we are weak at D part. I can't see any Dman drafted this year that could contend with what we already have.

I more less meant that a d prospect wil go farther in camp than a C prospect. We still have room for a physical dman in our top 4 if one of the guys drafted could push for it.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

I more less meant that a d prospect wil go farther in camp than a C prospect. We still have room for a physical dman in our top 4 if one of the guys drafted could push for it.

I have a hard time thinking that any of this draft's dmen would have any kind of chance at making the Flames roster. The Flames are very deep on D, their top six is pretty much set with Wotherspoon, Andersson and Kylington waiting in the wings if Engelland sucks or is traded or demoted. In fact it is probably their deepest position.

Agree with you for RW though.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Nylander and that right shot is hard to pass by if Dubois and Tkachuk are gone.

Better shot and moves puck quicker than his brother.

HF Board Alexander Nylander thread worth a look. Lots of stuff on his work ethic. Can play both wings. Off wing better with that right shot.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1577145


Here is another quote from someone who has watched alot of Nylander:

HF Boards The Winter Soldier

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...577145&page=26

"I have no concerns about Alex's desire to be a better player. Teams will do their due diligence I am sure. What I have seen in Alex this year is he is a team first player, despite being the most talented player on the team. He plays to the team's system without a semblance of me in his game."

Lots of information from The Winter Solider on HF Board about Nylander.

[dammage79]

That interesting. Nylander was on loan from Rogle so he may have a Kylington situation. Have to think the assignment flexibility might keep him high.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Nylander and that right shot is hard to pass by if Dubois and Tkachuk are gone.

Better shot and moves puck quicker than his brother.

HF Board Alexander Nylander thread worth a look. Lots of stuff on his work ethic. Can play both wings. Off wing better with that right shot.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1577145


Here is another quote from someone who has watched alot of Nylander:

HF Boards The Winter Soldier

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...577145&page=26

"I have no concerns about Alex's desire to be a better player. Teams will do their due diligence I am sure. What I have seen in Alex this year is he is a team first player, despite being the most talented player on the team. He plays to the team's system without a semblance of me in his game."

Lots of information from The Winter Solider on HF Board about Nylander.

I think Nylander is popula on HF because he plays in the Toronto area and is also Williams's brother. Fans love brining brothers together. I can see the Leafs having an interest too and I think there might be a deal there involving Van Reimsdyk, who is 27 and might not fit long term with the leafs, but would be a good winger for Bennett.

[Roof-Daddy]

I voted Brown because of his tremendous size and skill combo, but now Keller has crept into my brain.

A little bit bigger Johnny that plays center?

Where do I sign?

[Matty81]

I voted Keller a while back. I am actually hoping for Dubois or Tkachuk but if it is between Keller, Nylander and Brown it seems like Keller thinks the game at a little higher level.

I look at Gaudreau, and he doesn't have a harder shot, or better flat out speed than most players, he just thinks the game a step ahead of everybody else and has good enough quickness to use his smarts. See flashes of the same kind of player in Keller.

Granted I am a reader and highlight watcher so I'll trust the decision the Flames make based on scouting and projection.

I think Brown should be picked if his skill merits it and who cares how big he is... physical hockey is on the decline and size is less important than it was 10 years ago. If he can play, it doesn't matter what size he is, especially if he's not even a bruiser anyway. There are smaller players who win more puck battles than big lunks these days and I think Burke's blueprint of size for the sake of size and intimidation is dated and hasn't shifted as the league has. Top of the draft is where you get your high end skill imo.

Not that Brown doesn't look like a good player too and merits consideration.

[Vulcan]

Small NHL centres such as Keller aren't in vogue anymore since they've been given more defensive duties. He has great offensive abilities but with his size I don't give him a great chance to excel in the NHL at centre. So what you are probably drafting is a small LW.