2015-2016 Blue Jays Off-Season Thread

[TheAlpineOracle]

If the Jays give up Pillar/Pompey and Sanchez for one pitcher from the Indians instead of just going an signing one on the FA market, i'm going to lose my mind. Cheap #######s.

Who the hell do they think is going to play the outfield once Bautista leaves next year. And even if he doesn't, he will be the DH and the problem still exists.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I don't think they have, a few articles have said he we still be doing NCAA basketball and Sunday Night Baseball. http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases...551731691.html

As announced, his role with Sportsnet is very part time.

Usually ESPN doesn't let their guys go on non-ESPN radio shows even as guests. A few regular guests on Sportsnet radio shows stopped going on since they worked for ESPN..

[habernac]

Originally Posted by adc

Usually ESPN doesn't let their guys go on non-ESPN radio shows even as guests. A few regular guests on Sportsnet radio shows stopped going on since they worked for ESPN..

That was definitely the rule for Bill Simmons when he was there.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

If the Jays give up Pillar/Pompey and Sanchez for one pitcher from the Indians instead of just going an signing one on the FA market, i'm going to lose my mind. Cheap #######s.

Who the hell do they think is going to play the outfield once Bautista leaves next year. And even if he doesn't, he will be the DH and the problem still exists.

The Jays have a surplus of outfielders and when compared to the free agent market the only pitchers that are available that are better then any of Cleveland top 3 rotation arms are Price and Greinke.

I get wanting to see a transaction that's a pure "add" but be realistic... Greinke and Price will cost a fortune and no team has an unlimited budget.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Parallex

The Jays have a surplus of outfielders and when compared to the free agent market the only pitchers that are available that are better then any of Cleveland top 3 rotation arms are Price and Greinke.

I get wanting to see a transaction that's a pure "add" but be realistic... Greinke and Price will cost a fortune and no team has an unlimited budget.

I don't consider Pillar/Bautista/Saunders/Pompey as a surplus of outfielders, especially considering Saunders is a yearly band aid and Bautista generally missed a couple of weeks each year and is only getting older. The Jays pull a deal like this and they are essentially one injury away from Colabello playing LF again, which was a nightmare.

I'm not saying it's Price/Greinke or bust, but there are multiple FA pitchers as good as better than Salazar and Corrasco which can be had without giving up anything. Makes no sense to trade two young players with large upsides when it's not necessary.

[Jason14h]

I'm not saying it's Price/Greinke or bust, but there are multiple FA pitchers as good as better than Salazar and Corrasco which can be had without giving up anything

Well you do give up your 1st rounder to sign these guys as well.

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Not sure why the Indians would move Kluber or Salazar or why they would want Pillar/Pompey.

If am a the Jays I guess Carrasco is better than having Hutchinson or Sanchez in the rotation but he seems pretty average at best.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

I don't consider Pillar/Bautista/Saunders/Pompey as a surplus of outfielders, especially considering Saunders is a yearly band aid and Bautista generally missed a couple of weeks each year and is only getting older. The Jays pull a deal like this and they are essentially one injury away from Colabello playing LF again, which was a nightmare.

I'm not saying it's Price/Greinke or bust, but there are multiple FA pitchers as good as better than Salazar and Corrasco which can be had without giving up anything. Makes no sense to trade two young players with large upsides when it's not necessary.

That's not a surplus, but you must have forgot about Revere. 5 arguable major league OF is definitely a surplus of at least 1.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

I don't consider Pillar/Bautista/Saunders/Pompey as a surplus of outfielders, especially considering Saunders is a yearly band aid and Bautista generally missed a couple of weeks each year and is only getting older. The Jays pull a deal like this and they are essentially one injury away from Colabello playing LF again, which was a nightmare.

I'm not saying it's Price/Greinke or bust, but there are multiple FA pitchers as good as better than Salazar and Corrasco which can be had without giving up anything. Makes no sense to trade two young players with large upsides when it's not necessary.

Because the guys they would potentially be getting in return have higher upsides, are already really good, and a cost controlled for a long time?

A move like this allows the Jays to allocate their money with a lot less risk. Free agent starting pitching deals rarely work out well for teams. At best, you break even. Acquiring young, cost-controlled, and very good starting pitchers and then using the rest of the budget to patch holes on position players via free agency is a lot smarter strategy.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Well you do give up your 1st rounder to sign these guys as well.

Baseball draft picks are a complete crap shoot, even among the early first round picks. There's no guarantee you'll get an every day MLB player.

For example, Pompey was picked in the 16th round, Pillar in the 32, and Sanchez was a very late first round draft pick (34th). I'd much rather give up the pick than guys like Pompey/Pillar/Sanchez. I'd have no problems giving up Sanchez for an established starter under team control, but l don't think Sanchez alone gets you anything, and Pompey and Pillar are too valuable in my opinion to include, especially when you could get an equivalent pitcher for next to nothing on the FA market.

Funny that of three names floating around there, the one I wouldn't really care if they traded is the one that was drafted the highest by a considerable amount.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

For example, Pompey was picked in the 16th round, Pillar in the 32, and Sanchez was a very late first round draft pick (34th). I'd much rather give up the pick than guys like Pompey/Pillar/Sanchez. I'd have no problems giving up Sanchez for an established starter under team control, but l don't think Sanchez alone gets you anything, and Pompey and Pillar are too valuable in my opinion to include, especially when you could get an equivalent pitcher for next to nothing on the FA market.

Who is the pitcher you think is comparable to those guys that the Jays could get for next to nothing? I'm really curious.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by JayP

Because the guys they would potentially be getting in return have higher upsides, are already really good, and a cost controlled for a long time?

A move like this allows the Jays to allocate their money with a lot less risk. Free agent starting pitching deals rarely work out well for teams. At best, you break even. Acquiring young, cost-controlled, and very good starting pitchers and then using the rest of the budget to patch holes on position players via free agency is a lot smarter strategy.

The only pitchers with any upside on the Indians are Danny Salazar and Trevor Bauer. Kluber and Carrasco are almost 30 and both have decent sized contracts kicking in.

I'd love to have Salazar and would be more than willing to give up Sanchez for him, but gutting the outfield of it's only major league ready prospect and a rookie coming off a great season makes no sense. Salazar is eligible for Arbitration next year and his price tag is going to be very high in each of the 2017-2020 season. You only really get a deal on him for one year (2016). You can get an established guy as good as Salazar on the FA market, and it's not going to cost you all that much more except in the first year or two.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by JayP

Who is the pitcher you think is comparable to those guys that the Jays could get for next to nothing? I'm really curious.

Cueto, Leake, Chen, Kazmi, Zimmerman, Gallardo, Samardzija, Fister, Iwakuma, etc.

All of these guys bring as much or more than Carrasco or Salazar. Salazar may be a little younger, but these guys cost you nothing other than a FA contract and a draft pick that more likely than not will not pan out.

The fact that a team with an entire country as a fan base located in one of the largest markets in North American sports is considering dealing established prospects to get a pitcher to fill a hole in the off season , when there are plenty of other options out there is an absolute joke. I can see going that route if they can't get anyone to commit to Toronto as an FA, but to take that approach from the start is unacceptable in my opinion.

Toronto isn't a small market team, they need to stop acting like one if they are seriously committed to winning like they say.

[Harry Lime]

That Cleveland is willing to give up any pitching is something that needs to be taken very seriously. In terms of quality, their 4 (Bauer) would slot in ahead of Dickey, their 3 (Salazar) is comparable to Estrada last year, with greater upside, their 2 (Carrasco) would be ahead of Estrada and their 1 (Kluber) could very well slot ahead of Stroman.

Cleveland pitching is better than the Blue Jays. Pitching wins games.

Cleveland is strong up and down the lineup, except for a pathetically weak outfield. I wouldn't take any Yankee offer to seriously, as they don't have the horses to trade that Toronto does. The Dodgers do. That's the competition.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

That's not a surplus, but you must have forgot about Revere. 5 arguable major league OF is definitely a surplus of at least 1.

I don't expect the Blue Jays to pick up Revere's contract.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sportsnet announced this morning that Dan Shulman will be joining the broadcast team next season for 30+ games.

Awesome.

Is this a demotion/slap in the face for Buck?

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by troutman

Is this a demotion/slap in the face for Buck?

Buck and Pat missed quite a few games this year. I'm hoping he subs in for one of them when they go away on vacation. I didn't read the article, so I don't know what the plan is though.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by troutman

Is this a demotion/slap in the face for Buck?

Buck and Dan used to work together for Blue Jays games a few years ago. I hope that it happens again. They were amazing.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

I don't expect the Blue Jays to pick up Revere's contract.

That doesn't really matter because as of right now, during current trade negotiations he IS under club control for two more years and that makes him part of the OF depth. Either as a potential trade candidate or as a fill in if the Jays trade one of the other guys and decide to go to arbitration with Revere. There are 5 major league OF's on the roster either way you look at it.

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Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

That doesn't really matter because as of right now, during current trade negotiations he IS under club control for two more years and that makes him part of the OF depth. Either as a potential trade candidate or as a fill in if the Jays trade one of the other guys and decide to go to arbitration with Revere. There are 5 major league OF's on the roster either way you look at it.

Pompey has shown zero ability to hit major league pitching and get on base it may be a little early to count him as a major league outfielder or I am missing someone else that is included?

Throw in Saunders inability to make it through a season and questions about whether Bautista should still play in the OF and I could see an argument that the Jays aren't that strong in the OF. But if you can get a Kluber or Salazar for Pompey/Pillar and Sanchez then I would certainly do that and worry about the OF later.