[News] Calgary recalls Sam Bennett to the NHL

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

By your count, Bennett was likely slotted ahead of Mr. Gaudreau at the start of the year when apparently Bennett hands down made this club (I'm going to continue on pretending that your assertion here is indeed as irrefutable as you suggest it is). And at the start of the year Gaudreau was likely the closest player to heading down to the farm, and nothing has changed since then.

So by your logic, I'm going to assume expect Johnny Hockey to be sat in place of Bennett because after all, Johnny was just keeping his spot warm for him right, the spot Bennett earned right? And it's not like we should be accounting for anything that happened since training camp right, cause after all none of that would be meaningful or fair to do given Bennett hurt himself on the job.

So we are done here I guess, Johnny out Sam in?

This is the most childish reasoning that there is. Anytime someone talks like this it's just a massive face palm, if you think this therefore that must be true so this isn't true.

No that's not how it works, it's how children think.

"So by your logic"

Let's stop you right there, that argument is going to be BS

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

By your count, Bennett was likely slotted ahead of Mr. Gaudreau at the start of the year when apparently Bennett hands down made this club (I'm going to continue on pretending that your assertion here is indeed as irrefutable as you suggest it is). And at the start of the year Gaudreau was likely the closest player to heading down to the farm, and nothing has changed since then.

So by your logic, I'm going to assume expect Johnny Hockey to be sat in place of Bennett because after all, Johnny was just keeping his spot warm for him right, the spot Bennett earned right? And it's not like we should be accounting for anything that happened since training camp right, cause after all none of that would be meaningful or fair to do given Bennett hurt himself on the job.

So we are done here I guess, Johnny out Sam in?

Really?

Over these last two days I've observed you arguing vehemently against playing Bennett. Now, by itself that's understandable as is everyone else's reasoning behind it. ELC-issues, making him have a practice or two first, that I can get. However, then you start pulling nonsense out like "Johnny" vs "Sam" by 'somebody else's logic' (seriously, who the hell would actually suggest it being an issue of Johnny vs Bennett in the first place?? classic strawman), and drawing up some imaginary point of it screwing with team chemistry where you're practically describing a team of Baertschis.

At this point I'm deciding to take your opinion regarding Bennett with a grain of salt.

[speeds]

Originally Posted by Hackey

So if Bennett plays the remaining 3 games and a 7 game playoff series he would burn a year off his deal? That kind of sucks.

Flames could play Bennett in 2 of the last 3 games, and then would have him available for the entire first round without having to worry about it. And then make the decision from round 2 on, if they win the first round.

[SHOGUN]

Bob Hartley gave a hint in today's video that Bennett will play but did not disclose which game.

[Freeway]

Unless the Flames have a spot clinched, I'd be shocked if Bennett slots in.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Unless the Flames have a spot clinched, I'd be shocked if Bennett slots in.

I too would be shocked...though I think it is the wrong decision.

[skudr248]

People are talking like he may be a risk if slotted in? Just wondering why some posters are thinking this...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by skudr248

People are talking like he may be a risk if slotted in? Just wondering why some posters are thinking this...

Conroy says he doesn't have Flames defensive systems down yet. I guess the practicing he did up here when rehabbing didn't include that kind of work. The fact he refers to a swarm as an option doesn't make me happy.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by skudr248

People are talking like he may be a risk if slotted in? Just wondering why some posters are thinking this...

Read the STH thread. Conroy mentioned that Bennett is not familiar with the systems or the way the Flames want him to play right now. He needs to learn but I think he gets in for that last game of the year or the playoffs

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Conroy says he doesn't have Flames defensive systems down yet. I guess the practicing he did up here when rehabbing didn't include that kind of work. The fact he refers to a swarm as an option doesn't make me happy.

It took one of Eakins to soil the word 'swarm' forever.

[polak]

lol do any of the Flames have their defensive system down?

We've had a hard time keeping the puck out of our zone lately, even against the Oilers.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by skudr248

People are talking like he may be a risk if slotted in? Just wondering why some posters are thinking this...

He is 18 and a rookie. There is just as good of a chance he comes in a plays badly as he lights it up.

Has no effect on what he will be in the future though. But you can't expect an 18 year old to come in and be perfect.

[burnitdown]

The risk is that he's never played an NHL game in his life and he'd be thrown in to the biggest 3 games of the Flames' season. Might he play well?? Sure! But history shows it's not an easy jump from juniors to the NHL and he'll LIKELY be in over his head. Even Gaudreau took time to adjust (and he's even older than Bennett and played college)...he had a slow start to the season and was even sitting in the pressbox. In the vast majority of cases, it takes at least a few games before a prospect adjusts to the speed of the NHL.

Not to mention, in the season seat holder thread, Conroy talks about how Bennett doesn't even know the Flames' system yet. His instincts would have been incorrect on a few plays. Most games this late in the season are tight 1 goal games...one mistake could cost us the season at this point.

[Red]

I think Sam is here as motivator more than anything else.
Guys like Jooris, Raymond, Colborne etc must be feeling the heat and that's a good thing for the stretch drive.
Don't think he will play until the playoffs if we make it.

[MrCallahan]

My hunch is, they'll play Bennett for the last game against Winnipeg. That'll give him 1 game during the regular season, and a potential 8 games to play in the Playoffs without burning the ELC.

If we make it 8 games deep into the Playoffs, the Flames business may see it being worthwhile burning the 1 year ELC if Bennett has played well. The Flames would have made a decent amount of revenue over the course of those playoff games, and will just keep him on the team for the rush. And if he hasn't been a contributor, then they can take him off the team.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by polak

lol do any of the Flames have their defensive system down?

We've had a hard time keeping the puck out of our zone lately, even against the Oilers.

i actually think there is a definite system the flames have in place, which i would almost call a "bend but don't break". The team gives up a lot as far as zone time, and shot attempts, but there's something systematic about having folks always there in shooting lanes, etc.

I do agree with you, in that there have been stretches where grade A chances against have been a problem, but i wouldn't consider it a broad stroke criticism of the flames' season.

[polak]

No I do think we've been good defensively up until the last two weeks or so? Last home stand is where we have started to slip and even just clearing the puck has become a bit of a problem.

What I was getting at is the system is hardly some sort of positional masterpiece. Seems like it wouldn't be all that difficult to throw someone new into it.

[Enoch Root]

The comments by Conroy are being blown out of proportion - they were simply trying to manage fan expectations IMO.

1) of course he wouldn't have the systems down, but that is to be expected and that is why coaches give young guys sheltered minutes

2) easily avoided (or at least reduced) by slotting him on the wing.

I doubt at this point that Bennett dresses unless they have already clinched before the Jet game, but I think the concerns being stated here are overblown

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by polak

No I do think we've been good defensively up until the last two weeks or so? Last home stand is where we have started to slip and even just clearing the puck has become a bit of a problem.

What I was getting at is the system is hardly some sort of positional masterpiece. Seems like it wouldn't be all that difficult to throw someone new into it.

Understanding the system needs to be almost instinctual - so even if it make "seem like it wouldn't be all that difficult" - it is probably tough to make it that natural. And a blown assignment can end in the back of your net pretty quickly.
I think you are connecting the system, understanding the system, and your perception of some poor play all together when it may not be as connected. That is - has the poor play been a result of a lack of understanding the system or a lack of executing the system. Not the same thing.

[GioforPM]

Lots of juniors are used to swarming defences, because it works on junior, where the offensive players aren't as quick, don't mke great passes, and don't do area passes as well. I don't know of any team in the NHL that uses a swarm effectively.