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Old 08-18-2015, 04:04 PM   #341
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As of right now I am doing Sumo Deadlifts, I may switch to conventional soon.
If you dont mind me asking but what are your compound lift numbers (bench, ohp, squat, deadlift)?

Are you lagging in strength or did you just want a bigger upper body?
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Old 08-19-2015, 10:22 AM   #342
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Think my strength has increased with this current hypertrophy routine I am doing, all 3 bench's are about 135lb for about 3 reps.. keep in mind I do short rest time like 2 minutes when I probably should do at least 5 minutes I am currently doing DB's for bench I will be doing 50lbs and probably going for 8 reps this friday.

My Sumo's I just hit a new PR last week with 225lbs for about 6 reps or to failure. the OHP I stopped doing 2 months ago just to switch up exercises and work on isolation body parts but I stopped at about 85lbs for 5-6 reps.

I haven't done squats in almost 2 years now due to the fact that my knee's are pretty worn out from the first 3 years of doing it along with playing Goalie. I may have to get myself a knee strap when I decide to hit up the squats again.

This is what my current Upper Body routine looks like:

Chest
Back
Shoulders
Back
Biceps
Triceps

May include Another Chest workout in between the Back and Biceps.

Overall, I am looking to just get a bigger upper body but hoping to get the strength to go along with it.

If your wondering why everything is a bit low, this is actually the first year that I have been consistently going to the gym. My first 3.5 years I never went consistently and am kicking myself in the arse for it.
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Old 08-19-2015, 10:48 AM   #343
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I haven't done squats in almost 2 years now due to the fact that my knee's are pretty worn out from the first 3 years of doing it along with playing Goalie. I may have to get myself a knee strap when I decide to hit up the squats again.

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Squats shouldn't be that hard on your knees if done properly. If done incorrect then yes they can be hard on your knees. In short, if your knees stay behind your toes and the weight is through your heels, your knees should be fine.

The movement of the squat is like sitting on the crapper. You initiate it with you hips and lead with your bum. Doing squats correctly you should be able to wiggle your toes through the movement.
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Squats just kill my hamstrings now. I used to be able several sets and then be able to go on a long run. Now at 32 years old, if I do squats my hamstrings hurt for a day or two (proper technique, no weights) same for dead lifts. Stretching hasn't helped too much. I guess it's just getting a bit older.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:48 PM   #345
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^Try an ACL repair... I have no hamstring in my right leg. Slight exaggeration, but they cut out a bunch of it. Now I can do maybe a dozen reps of hammy curl before failure at like 70lbs.

UCB, when your knees are f'd, literally any stressful motion is hard on them. I can't even do a dozen non-weighted lunges at this point. Makes it really hard to target certain muscles when you're limited as to what you can do.
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Old 08-19-2015, 02:07 PM   #346
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^Try an ACL repair... I have no hamstring in my right leg. Slight exaggeration, but they cut out a bunch of it. Now I can do maybe a dozen reps of hammy curl before failure at like 70lbs.

UCB, when your knees are f'd, literally any stressful motion is hard on them. I can't even do a dozen non-weighted lunges at this point. Makes it really hard to target certain muscles when you're limited as to what you can do.
Fair enough, and I should have indicated in my post that most people don't have "bad knees". Most people believe they have "bad knees" but when you ask them they can't identify an injury.

My point was that if he can do all those other exercises then his knees should be able to handle squats done properly.

I have one bad knee, but if I focus I can do squats.
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:43 PM   #347
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Think my strength has increased with this current hypertrophy routine I am doing, all 3 bench's are about 135lb for about 3 reps.. keep in mind I do short rest time like 2 minutes when I probably should do at least 5 minutes I am currently doing DB's for bench I will be doing 50lbs and probably going for 8 reps this friday.

My Sumo's I just hit a new PR last week with 225lbs for about 6 reps or to failure. the OHP I stopped doing 2 months ago just to switch up exercises and work on isolation body parts but I stopped at about 85lbs for 5-6 reps.

I haven't done squats in almost 2 years now due to the fact that my knee's are pretty worn out from the first 3 years of doing it along with playing Goalie. I may have to get myself a knee strap when I decide to hit up the squats again.

This is what my current Upper Body routine looks like:

Chest
Back
Shoulders
Back
Biceps
Triceps

May include Another Chest workout in between the Back and Biceps.

Overall, I am looking to just get a bigger upper body but hoping to get the strength to go along with it.

If your wondering why everything is a bit low, this is actually the first year that I have been consistently going to the gym. My first 3.5 years I never went consistently and am kicking myself in the arse for it.
You're numbers for legs are low too. Keep working your legs and back with compound workouts. It will make a huge positive contribution to your upper body gains.

If you are looking to gain size in the upper body pick a weight you can do at least ten reps of for one set.
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Squats shouldn't be that hard on your knees if done properly. If done incorrect then yes they can be hard on your knees. In short, if your knees stay behind your toes and the weight is through your heels, your knees should be fine.

The movement of the squat is like sitting on the crapper. You initiate it with you hips and lead with your bum. Doing squats correctly you should be able to wiggle your toes through the movement.
There could be a specific problem with his knees, but generally I'd agree. If anything the sumo deadluft should be harder on the knees.
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:58 PM   #349
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Anyone else do any of the Darebee.com workouts? I'm making my way through the Hero's Journey 2.0 right now, today is day 9. Let me tell you, that Oracle on day 7 is brutal. I'm a relative noob to working out, though I've always been pretty athletic, if, obviously, a complete nerd. It's been really fun so far and I feel like I'm way more likely to make it through this than the several dozen other workout routines/apps/programs/plans I've ever tried.
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Old 08-19-2015, 08:48 PM   #350
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Think my strength has increased with this current hypertrophy routine I am doing, all 3 bench's are about 135lb for about 3 reps.. keep in mind I do short rest time like 2 minutes when I probably should do at least 5 minutes I am currently doing DB's for bench I will be doing 50lbs and probably going for 8 reps this friday.

My Sumo's I just hit a new PR last week with 225lbs for about 6 reps or to failure. the OHP I stopped doing 2 months ago just to switch up exercises and work on isolation body parts but I stopped at about 85lbs for 5-6 reps.

I haven't done squats in almost 2 years now due to the fact that my knee's are pretty worn out from the first 3 years of doing it along with playing Goalie. I may have to get myself a knee strap when I decide to hit up the squats again.

This is what my current Upper Body routine looks like:

Chest
Back
Shoulders
Back
Biceps
Triceps

May include Another Chest workout in between the Back and Biceps.

Overall, I am looking to just get a bigger upper body but hoping to get the strength to go along with it.

If your wondering why everything is a bit low, this is actually the first year that I have been consistently going to the gym. My first 3.5 years I never went consistently and am kicking myself in the arse for it.
My $.02, your numbers are low enough that you might really benefit from simplifying your routine and focus on getting stronger for now. In all likelihood you still have quite a bit of "beginner gains" that you're leaving on the table right now.

I'd look into one of the linear programs out there. Something like Stronglifts or Starting Strength. You'll get stronger (and subsequently more muscular) much faster. Once you start to plateau on those programs you can start using more complicated routines and more isolation exercises to address specific weaknesses.

Rippetoe has a good set of standards to see where you are strength-wise.

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A good linear program should get you from novice or lower up to, or at least close to intermediate with a few months of hard work and good diet.

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Anyone else do any of the Darebee.com workouts? I'm making my way through the Hero's Journey 2.0 right now, today is day 9. Let me tell you, that Oracle on day 7 is brutal. I'm a relative noob to working out, though I've always been pretty athletic, if, obviously, a complete nerd. It's been really fun so far and I feel like I'm way more likely to make it through this than the several dozen other workout routines/apps/programs/plans I've ever tried.
I have never heard of that before, but it looks awesome! I was addicted to those "Choose-Your-Own-Adventure" books as a kid. This seems like a really fun way to get people off the couch and moving.
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Old 08-23-2015, 10:33 PM   #352
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I'm currently coming into the 6th week of the 8 week Rushfit program. I have to say I'm enjoying it and get a kick out of Georges quirky comments during the work outs (the guys a beast. ) Of course this isn't the same effect as going to the gym/weight lifting but for my schedule it's working within it. I am quite happy with the results so far and best of all the wife is noticing the difference. Looking forward to pounding out the last 3 weeks!
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Fair enough, and I should have indicated in my post that most people don't have "bad knees". Most people believe they have "bad knees" but when you ask them they can't identify an injury.

My point was that if he can do all those other exercises then his knees should be able to handle squats done properly.

I have one bad knee, but if I focus I can do squats.
I've been doing the sled routine on the track for a couple months and it's an awesome leg workout, especially if you have bad knees or are rehabbing. I'm not injured other than wear and tear. But the usually pain that goes with basketball and squats is completely gone. I'd suggest pushing a weighted sled if your knees hurt. And if you don't mind feeling like a tool.
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I've been doing the sled routine on the track for a couple months and it's an awesome leg workout, especially if you have bad knees or are rehabbing. I'm not injured other than wear and tear. But the usually pain that goes with basketball and squats is completely gone. I'd suggest pushing a weighted sled if your knees hurt. And if you don't mind feeling like a tool.
I've always wanted to try doing the sled push but Goodlife doesn't have that kind of stuff. I may have to buy my own and do it in my own backyard or something.
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I'm gonna be switching up some of the exercises for my routine next week. Whats better? Front Squats or Back Squats?
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I'm gonna be switching up some of the exercises for my routine next week. Whats better? Front Squats or Back Squats?
two different results.

squats will work more of your posterior chain and hips, front squats work primarily your quads.
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For any of the people who use Whey protein stuff: is there a time after working out where it's basically too late to take it (in terms of effectiveness)? A couple times this week I did an impromptu work out at our crappy work gym, finishing around 2:30. I'm home at 5, is that too much time to the point where there's no point even bothering taking the protein powder? I know usually it should be within the hour.

I just ask cuz that stuff's expensive and I'm almost out again, don't wanna just needlessly waste it if I've missed my post-workout window. Thanks!
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Depends who you ask. A lot of studies have come out recently saying it doesn't matter when you take your protein as long as you get it.
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I've been working out again since June.

I've worked out off and on for the last 15 years or so.

I decided to build a home gym in the garage, consisting of a Rogue S2 squat rack with safety bars, Olympic bar and plates. There's also a landmine set up, preacher curl bar, old bowflex, and various dumbell free weights. In the house we have an elliptical machine for cardio.


I've started a new routine over the last month. Instead of splits, I do PUSH, PULL, LEGS - Rest one day - then repeat. Still working on my set quantities, but my rule is generally 4 sets of 8-10 for everything.

PUSH day- All push movements - flat bench press, standing landmine presses (upper chest), standing military press, Dips on dips bar, skullcrushers with dumbells, 100 pushups for finishers.

PULL day - Rack pulls (Deads), Pull ups, chin ups, landmine Barbell rows - double and singles, shrugs, various arm curls

LEGS day - Landmine lumberjack squat, landmine dead squat, front barebell squats, walking lunges

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Cardio - 3 - 4 days 20- 30 mins
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A poster here convinced me with the Alan Thrall video that squats and deadlifts are the best workout when I said squats are dangerous and they suck.

He was right, I can run a 16k run on an intense hill running track with incredibly steep ascents. Doing squats and deadlifts is easily twice as tiring. Those 2 exercises have to be the most intense workouts there are in terms of intense muscle workout and an intense cardio workout simultaneously. Swimming has nothing on it.
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