[Rumour] Tallon Actively Shopping 1st Overall Pick in 2014 Draft

[Poe969]

Every trade option is worth considering. If tallon asks too much, move on. If it's reasonable then you do it. I think it would be great to have both the 1 & 4 picks.

[Vinny01]

The Jets have a connection with the Colts as Dale Hawerchuck is their coach. Rumors are he pushed them to draft Schifele. Perhaps due to that relationship the Jets would be highly interested in Ekblad? The Jets could try and move Kane for the pick or work out a package deal with Buff+9th for the pick and something?

That's only if they really wanted Ekblad. With Trouba, Morrissey as young prospects and Enstrom, Bogosian, Buff locked up in contract they might feel set on D

[5by5]

If we could get #1 and keep #4 it would leap frog our rebuild exponentially.

1. Sign Cammy regardless. Then trade him + Wideman + #35 pick for first overall.

2. If Cammy no wanna go to FLA then do what it takes to Geterdone.
Stajan, Wideman, Jones, Byron, Butler, Hanowski, or all of em + #35 pick. I would even retain some salary. We need the roster slots and this would get rid of some of the Feister stink still left on the team too.

If we drafted Ekblad and Sam 1 or 2, sign Niskanen or Orpik (UFA) we would be standing of a very good foundation going forward. Then we could try to sign, Vrbata or Callahan and Stastny or ROR. Look out. We got a team again.

Trading Sven or TJ is just plain stupid. Why set the rebuild back? It amazes me to see how easy it is for peeps to throw around young proven players for draft picks. Fact is you are trading a commodity that has beat the odds by just making to the show in the first place. Ya think TJ Brodies grow on trees? Trading up from 4 to 1 is pointless. We should be trying for the pick outright.

[Rick M.]

We may have some problem meeting the salary cap floor if we move out too many players unless we retain all their salaries. We have no idea what UFAs we'll sign until after the draft.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

We may have some problem meeting the salary cap floor if we move out too many players unless we retain all their salaries. We have no idea what UFAs we'll sign until after the draft.

I expect the flames to be involved in some cap dump deals around the draft. Boston, Philly are 2 teams already tight against the cap. Philly needs to sign B.Schenn and they will definitely make roster changes after a 1st round exit. They already have $64M tied up in 17 players. With the Canadian $$ slipping the cap might be closer to $68M as opposed to the $71M it was projected earlier

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

We may have some problem meeting the salary cap floor if we move out too many players unless we retain all their salaries. We have no idea what UFAs we'll sign until after the draft.

The max a team can retain is 50% salary of any single contract, to maximum of three contracts and to a total not exceeding 15% of salary cap.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

The max a team can retain is 50% salary of any single contract, to maximum of three contracts and to a total not exceeding 15% of salary cap.

Thanks for clarifying this. This makes things even trickier.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Thanks for clarifying this. This makes things even trickier.

It does.
But it does mean the Flames could retain around 10 million in salary over three contracts (if cap is 68 million).... but those contracts would have to average out over 6 million per to realize the 10M retained.
There are some big steps between retaining salary in theory, and doing so in reality... At least in terms of acquiring assets through retention.

[5by5]

I would make my afore mentioned trades for Yandle and the Yotes pick this year too. So I trade Cammy, Wideman, Stajan + #35 for Yandle and #12 = Tuch.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 5by5

If we could get #1 and keep #4 it would leap frog our rebuild exponentially.

1. Sign Cammy regardless. Then trade him + Wideman + #35 pick for first overall.

2. If Cammy no wanna go to FLA then do what it takes to Geterdone.
Stajan, Wideman, Jones, Byron, Butler, Hanowski, or all of em + #35 pick. I would even retain some salary. We need the roster slots and this would get rid of some of the Feister stink still left on the team too.

If we drafted Ekblad and Sam 1 or 2, sign Niskanen or Orpik (UFA) we would be standing of a very good foundation going forward. Then we could try to sign, Vrbata or Callahan and Stastny or ROR. Look out. We got a team again.

Trading Sven or TJ is just plain stupid. Why set the rebuild back? It amazes me to see how easy it is for peeps to throw around young proven players for draft picks. Fact is you are trading a commodity that has beat the odds by just making to the show in the first place. Ya think TJ Brodies grow on trees? Trading up from 4 to 1 is pointless. We should be trying for the pick outright.

This is all well and good but how the hell do the flames acquire the number 1 pick while keeping #4 in addition to our other assets like Sven, Brodie, Johnny, Monahan etc?

Hudler, Backlund, Wideman, etc are no where near worth a top overall pick in the draft.

[5by5]

FLORIDA SEEKING TO TRADE #1 PICK FOR VETERANS. My post was based on this specific rumour. Apologies, I will attempt to use the quote box next time to avoid confusion. Its a package deal and I never said anything about Hudler or Backlund. Rumour is, FLA wants vets. Thats what Im offering. And if you think that #1 is worth more than what Ive offered we live on 2 different plains of existence. I offer a complete 2nd line, actually it is our first line, plus salary retention, plus a draft pick and you bock. Whatever. Respectfully(doh) wondering if you went to the Millbury school of GMship? Assuming the rumours are true, Vinny01 you tell me what you think it would take to get the 1st overall with what we have to offer, including possible salary retention. We keep #4 no matter what.

[Vinny01]

I am not sure we have the vets to get the top pick to be honest. Florida is not going to wat guys that are 30+ I think they will want guys in that 23-27 range and the flames still lack high end talent in that bracket. Brodie is not being moved, Colborne, Bouma, Russell and Backlund don't have that value.

A big trade could be built around Evander Kane, Ryan O'Rielly, maybe Shattenkirk with other pieces being added on both sides to balance the deal. Philly also has some interesting pieces if they would move Couturier, Schenn(s), or Simmonds.

Those are the types of veteran players I see Florida targeting. They want to make the playoffs but will want a player in return that can possibly help them 10 years from now not just for the next 1-3 years. That is my opinion on them moving the pick. Personally I think they address their need for vets via free agency

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is all well and good but how the hell do the flames acquire the number 1 pick while keeping #4 in addition to our other assets like Sven, Brodie, Johnny, Monahan etc?

Hudler, Backlund, Wideman, etc are no where near worth a top overall pick in the draft.

We just don't acquire the 1st overall pick and continue on our path.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by nik-

We just don't acquire the 1st overall pick and continue on our path.

Agreed. Personally I have always wanted the Schenn bros to play for the Flames. I think they fit the heavy hockey style our management team wants. Philly is in cap trouble next year so perhaps they could be had for cheap? Luke is really only a bottom pairing D anyway but Brayden has potential to be a #2C or top line winger IMO. Only 22/23 years old and both big boys

Take advantage of the cap problems in Philly and eat another bad deal we can use a CBO on to get them at a cheaper cost.

[Gaskal]

If we're getting the Schenns and taking on a bad contract just to CBO it, it's gotta be done before the 4th of July.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

If we're getting the Schenns and taking on a bad contract just to CBO it, it's gotta be done before the 4th of July.

I was thinking around the draft. It is just on my wish list of players if getting bigger is top priority. I have no idea if they would be available or the value but i do know Philly is in cap trouble and the Flames are certainly not

[H2SO4(aq)]

Brayden Schenn perfectly fits the mold of what our GM and President have said we are looking for. Young, talented, "heavy/ plays heavy", and truculent. I hope we acquire this guy, but as always, Im sure a lot of people may be disappointed at how much it costs us.

[handgroen]

Hackey posted a list in the craig's list thread 4th overall picks since 2000, i thought it might be fun to compare them to the 1st overall picks, to gauge our organization's appetite to move up.

2000: 4th Rostislav Klesla ----1st Rick DiPietro
2001: 4th Stephen Weiss-----1st Ilya Kovalchuk
2002: 4th Joni Pitkanen------1st Rick Nash
2003: 4th Nikolai Zherdev---1st M.A. Fluery
2004: 4th Andrew Ladd------1st Alex Ovechkin
2005: 4th Benoit Pouliot-----1st Sidney Crosby
2006: 4th Nicklas Backstrom-1st Erik Johnson
2007: 4th Thomas Hickey----1st Patrick Kane
2008: 4th Alex Pietrangelo---1st Steven Stamkos
2009: 4th Evander Kane------1st John Tavares
2010: 4th Ryan Johansen-----1st Taylor Hall
2011: 4th Adam Larsson-----1st Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012: 4th Griffin Reinhart---1st Nail Yakupov
2013: 4th Seth Jones----------1st Nathan MacKinnon

So it looks like you still need to make the right pick at 1st overall, but if our scouting staff sees the man they want, they'de be wise to try to move up and pick him.
I may be in the minority but i hope we trade the 4th+ for 1st overall.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Jets have a connection with the Colts as Dale Hawerchuck is their coach. Rumors are he pushed them to draft Schifele. Perhaps due to that relationship the Jets would be highly interested in Ekblad? The Jets could try and move Kane for the pick or work out a package deal with Buff+9th for the pick and something?

That's only if they really wanted Ekblad. With Trouba, Morrissey as young prospects and Enstrom, Bogosian, Buff locked up in contract they might feel set on D

The Jets do not have room for Morrissey and Enstrom on Defense... both are not gritty. Enstrom somehow got a big long term deal which is Chevaldayoff's first big mistake as Jet's GM.

Bufuglien was a disaster as a D man and the Jets played much better as a team with him at forward and Pardy getting his minutes on Defense.

Bogosian is a big ???? as he has been banged up almost every year but has been their top defenseman for stretches of time...... Trouba has Norris potential.

Kane is just too good to trade....even up for Ekblad. There has to be some pressure on the Jets to make the playoffs and Ekblad doesn't help them for a year or two.


The big piece that the Jets have is Burmistrov who hated playing for Noel and went to the KHL. He is a RFA who wants to get back to the NHL. Him and the Jet's #9 might get them Ekblad or if he signs with them and plays somewhat close to his potential for Maurice....the Jets can wait for Bogosian and Trouba.

Burmistrov is a #8 draft pick and if he plays in the NHL next year will be better than the top guys picked this year's draft for at least a year or 2.

He had 20 NHL goals by the time he was 20 years old playing for a bad team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by handgroen

Hackey posted a list in the craig's list thread 4th overall picks since 2000, i thought it might be fun to compare them to the 1st overall picks, to gauge our organization's appetite to move up.

2000: 4th Rostislav Klesla ----1st Rick DiPietro
2001: 4th Stephen Weiss-----1st Ilya Kovalchuk
2002: 4th Joni Pitkanen------1st Rick Nash
2003: 4th Nikolai Zherdev---1st M.A. Fluery
2004: 4th Andrew Ladd------1st Alex Ovechkin
2005: 4th Benoit Pouliot-----1st Sidney Crosby
2006: 4th Nicklas Backstrom-1st Erik Johnson
2007: 4th Thomas Hickey----1st Patrick Kane
2008: 4th Alex Pietrangelo---1st Steven Stamkos
2009: 4th Evander Kane------1st John Tavares
2010: 4th Ryan Johansen-----1st Taylor Hall
2011: 4th Adam Larsson-----1st Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012: 4th Griffin Reinhart---1st Nail Yakupov
2013: 4th Seth Jones----------1st Nathan MacKinnon

So it looks like you still need to make the right pick at 1st overall, but if our scouting staff sees the man they want, they'de be wise to try to move up and pick him.
I may be in the minority but i hope we trade the 4th+ for 1st overall.

its an odd year though with no clear cut #1 and the top 4 being ranked fairly even...they have all be ranked #1 at some point on some list