[News] Mike Gillis fired. Linden named President. of Hockey Ops

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

5th for Russell,

4th for Colborne,

Erixon for Horak/Wotherspoon/Granlund, Horak/Brossoit then flipped for Smid/Roy,

4th for Knight,

Bourque (the guy who scored 15 points this year) for Cammalleri and potentially our new starting goaltender in Karri Ramo.

There were equally a handful of good moves that he made, the only thing that really tips the scale is the ROR incident, from which there were no consequences.

The Bouwmeester trade was horrendous. Poirier might turn out to be good... but look at what people expect Nashville to want for Weber. Bouwmeester (like Weber) was a main cog on the Canadian Olympic team. Weber is a better... but not by a ton.

If we went to Nashville and offered up Olivier Roy (goalie we have no plans for like Berra with the Blues), Chris Breen (low to middling defense prospect) and the 22nd overall pick, they'd laugh in our face. But that is basically what Feaster got for Bouwmeester.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The Bouwmeester trade was horrendous. Poirier might turn out to be good... but look at what people expect Nashville to want for Weber. Bouwmeester (like Weber) was a main cog on the Canadian Olympic team. Weber is a better... but not by a ton.

If we went to Nashville and offered up Olivier Roy (goalie we have no plans for like Berra with the Blues), Chris Breen (low to middling defense prospect) and the 22nd overall pick, they'd laugh in our face. But that is basically what Feaster got for Bouwmeester.

just a few months prior to the trade, people on here were ready to flip Bouwmeester for Matt frickin D'Agostini and a 2nd, and now people blast Feaster for getting a 1st in a deep draft and two prospects? Okay ...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Knight for a 4th is not a win at this point.

How do you figure?

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The Bouwmeester trade was horrendous. Poirier might turn out to be good... but look at what people expect Nashville to want for Weber. Bouwmeester (like Weber) was a main cog on the Canadian Olympic team. Weber is a better... but not by a ton.

If we went to Nashville and offered up Olivier Roy (goalie we have no plans for like Berra with the Blues), Chris Breen (low to middling defense prospect) and the 22nd overall pick, they'd laugh in our face. But that is basically what Feaster got for Bouwmeester.

That's not remotely the same, and you know it. Berra got us a 2nd rounder this year, so clearly Feaster's team weren't the only ones who saw him as a valuable piece.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by devo22

just a few months prior to the trade, people on here were ready to flip Bouwmeester for Matt frickin D'Agostini and a 2nd, and now people blast Feaster for getting a 1st in a deep draft and two prospects? Okay ...

Are people here NHL GM's?

This is besides the point though... I'm sure this has been debated many times. Some people obviously think he did a great job, some people obvious thought he did a horrible job. I don't think either side really will be convinced as we know which cogs were moved in and moved out.

[djsFlames]

Weber is far better than Jbo. Giordano is even better than Jbo. While the guy is 6'4, steady, and can skate well and was an easy piece to put on the Canadian defense, he's not worthy anything near what Weber is worth.

You can't even judge the trade fairly until we see what becomes of both Emile Poirier and Mark Cundari. If Poirier becomes a top line RW like his ceiling might suggest, then the trade was gravy as far as I'm concerned (but we'll see). Way to jump the gun just cause of the failed Berra experiment. I guess technically you'd have to wait to see what comes of the 2nd rounder acquired for him, too.

[Galakanokis]

There might be 5 other players I would take over Shea Weber. There are probably 50+ players I take over Bouwmeester. The two are not even close to comparable in my mind. And I like Bouwmeester.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Weber is far better than Jbo. Giordano is even better than Jbo. While the guy is 6'4, steady, and can skate well and was an easy piece to put on the Canadian defense, he's not worthy anything near what Weber is worth.

You can't even judge the trade fairly until we see what becomes of both Emile Poirier and Mark Cundari. If Poirier becomes a top line RW like his ceiling might suggest, then the trade was gravy as far as I'm concerned (but we'll see). Way to jump the gun just cause of the failed Berra experiment. I guess technically you'd have to wait to see what comes of the 2nd rounder acquired for him, too.

Thats kind of a silly way of putting it. If we traded, say, Mikael Backlund for a 6th round pick, would anyone say "Well you can't say thats a bad trade till we see how that 6th round pick turns out?"

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Are people here NHL GM's?

This is besides the point though... I'm sure this has been debated many times. Some people obviously think he did a great job, some people obvious thought he did a horrible job. I don't think either side really will be convinced as we know which cogs were moved in and moved out.

I just think Feaster still takes too much flak, that's all. Everybody gushes over all the young guys stepping into the lineup, yet some seem to forget that Feaster acquired nearly all of them. He has turned the worst prospect pool into one that is probably in the 10-15 range in the NHL right now in just a couple years. Yes, the ROR thing could have been horrible, but that doesn't change the fact that Feaster did a lot of positive things to help the club going forward.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

How do you figure?

Because Knight doesn't look like an NHLer at this point?

[DOOM]

Knight for a 4th is a huge win. Don't kid yourself PeteMoss.

[StrykerSteve]

I just landed. If that wasn't Jay Feaster, he has one hell of a doppelgänger. Someone's fibbing here and it sure as heck wasn't me.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Thats kind of a silly way of putting it. If we traded, say, Mikael Backlund for a 6th round pick, would anyone say "Well you can't say thats a bad trade till we see how that 6th round pick turns out?"

Considering 6th round picks pan out far, far, farrrrrr less often than 1st and 2nd round picks, then, no I'd not agree with you that it is a silly way of putting it.

You can say with far more certainty that trading Backlund for a 6th is a fail (unless a minor miracle comes of it)

than saying Jbo for a 1st, 2nd, and Cundari was a fail only a year after the trade.

[Fire]

Feaster did some good and some bad but the O'Reilly fiasco was a major embarrassment to the organization. Don't forget narrowly avoiding a terrible Brad Richards contract. He lost a lot of credibility after those two attempted moves.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

There might be 5 other players I would take over Shea Weber. There are probably 50+ players I take over Bouwmeester. The two are not even close to comparable in my mind. And I like Bouwmeester.

They were both main cogs on Team Canada... Weber is better... but its not a vast difference.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Knight for a 4th is a huge win. Don't kid yourself PeteMoss.

Why? Knight was up here and looked nothing like an NHL player. The guy Florida took with the Flames picked had a pretty good freshman year at Michigan.

[devo22]

from being the CP whipping boy #1 to being compared to Shea Weber within a year ... Chris Butler must love to hear about this.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by devo22

I just think Feaster still takes too much flak, that's all. Everybody gushes over all the young guys stepping into the lineup, yet some seem to forget that Feaster acquired nearly all of them. He has turned the worst prospect pool into one that is probably in the 10-15 range in the NHL right now in just a couple years. Yes, the ROR thing could have been horrible, but that doesn't change the fact that Feaster did a lot of positive things to help the club going forward.

You know its funny... in the other thread about the 2013/14 NHL surprised, the common names were:

Giordano - Darryl signed UFA out of junior
Backlund - Darryl pick
Brodie - Darryl pick

Ramo - Feaster trade (and pick too I guess, Tampa)
Monohan - Feaster pick

Worst prospect pool... right? Other prospects who have played well for the Flames this year, who were part of this terrible prospect pool that were Darryl picks include Ortio, Bouma and Reinhart. I didn't include Ferland because he did not play.

Feaster did some good things. But critisism comes with the job, I wouldn't get too sensative about it. I will give him Russel for a 5th and the Erixon trade though... those 2 are probably his 2 biggest wins. I will also say Hudler was a big win too, loved the signing since day 1.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Why? Knight was up here and looked nothing like an NHL player.

He's in his first year as a pro, fcol.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by devo22

just a few months prior to the trade, people on here were ready to flip Bouwmeester for Matt frickin D'Agostini and a 2nd, and now people blast Feaster for getting a 1st in a deep draft and two prospects? Okay ...

I was thinking of that myself. I remembered people were saying we won't be getting anything for JayBo as he washed-up and nobody will trade for me. Hmmm... what is JayBo doing now? Just playing for one of the favorite to win the Stanley Cup. Jay Feaster did some good stuff for the Flames and yes some questionable moves but I thought he did alright. Feaster is much better GM than Gillis or Kevin Lowe(sorry I had to add that name).

Mike Gillis on the other hand did nothing for Vancouver. Way too many questionable moves ie: announcing to media that Luongo is available then when teams are trying to trade with Canucks, he was asking for the moon. Then his supposed to be a starter and future starter got traded on the next draft day. I don't know any of his moves that was good for the Canucks.. oh maybe signing Chris Higgins. Sucks when one of your best moves is actually an average move for any other team. Signing Torts was a bad move also.

I can't remember if Gillis is already the GM when they announced Roberto Luongo, the goaltender is their captain. I thought that was laughable since I have never ever heard of a goaltender being captain of a team. Gillis' firing was not a shock..we all know he will be gone by the end of the season or as soon as the Canucks is out of the playoff spot. Torts will be next as far as I am concerned.