[Trade] Reto Berra to the Avs for a *2014 2nd round pick*

[Scoreface]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I'm kind of hoping Burke's plan B is to keep Cammalleri, then move off Hudler for good picks/prospects.

I think Burke may be waiting to see what happens with a certain young phenom in Gaudreau. He could've perhaps pulled the trigger on a Hudler deal, but there currently is no one else who fits his mould as a shifty playmaker.

So I think things hinge more around that, than what you suggest. Either way, we're talking about 3 diminutive forwards. The numbers game says 2 should probably go at some point.

Don't think it'll be Johnny, but we shall see. Burke should be committed to Ponoka if he dealt him before realizing his potential and preferring to hang on to Cammy and Hudler, IMO.

I think Burke knows to some degree how high his ceiling can be, and his picks in the upcoming drafts will to some extent focus on surrounding him with 'beef.' Maybe I'm going on a limb here, but some of his strategy in drafting in 2014 may center around this.

The kid could be a superstar. I really think Burke knows this and may parlay a signed Cammalleri and Hudler also. In Hudler's case he will probably hang onto once he has a better idea of what Johnny can bring at the pro level in Gaudreau, assuming he signs. Even if he busts (which there is a probability of course), he may still move Hudler. Neither case is in a vacuum I suppose.

I feel ablush about this kind of scenario. Because not only does it present all kinds of probabilities, but more that we may have a star on our hands. One of which many GM's salivate for.

Of course, just speculating a bit and also hoping too, like all of us! Haha

Edit- We also have Baertchi knocking on the door soon, so potentially him and Gaudreau as smallish top 6 forwards I'm sure is pushing the limit with Burke. We don't want a Rutherford situation in Carolina going forward.

This draft will be even more intriguing than 2013 with it's 3 first rounders IMO. Size and skill will probably be looked at as a MUST for the most part, Id figure.

[djsFlames]

But Hudler needs to be better too. Can't believe how consistent he was from Oct-Dec. Was looking like a PPG player. I know he can get back to that if he can break this slump, but I've noticed he's been strictly pass-first in recent games. That, or he'll try to dangle the opposing team by himself which never works. Needs to start taking shots again, he's a good shooter.

If Huds can finish strong I wouldn't be opposed to seeing what we can get for him at the draft. If we are going to sign Cammy, then another small player needs to go. Making space for Gaudreau is a must.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm not sure what Berra's habit of losing his net and going swimming have to do with a bad team in front of him. Those seem like fundamentals to me, and he was pretty scary in them sometimes.

and how many times did he lose because the team in front of him couldn't score if they were in a brothel with a fistful of hundreds?

Like I said he let in his bad goals and had his bad games, but he also had alot of good moments too.

[$ven27]

@adater
Allaire, who spends time in Switzerland, knew Berra and liked him. #goalieguru

[Enoch Root]

Best thing about this trade:

never having to hear Simmer say R-r-r-reta Berro ever again

[Robo]

When I heard berra was traded I thought it was going to be for future consideration or a seventh round pick was amazed that he fetched a second

[MisterJoji]

Not sure if this has been touched on or not, but I really like the fact that with Berra gone, Ortio likely has the full time backup job pencilled in for next year. I would much rather run with Ramo/Ortio as a 1A/B scenario so that Ortio still gets a good number of starts despite not being the starter in Abbotsford. This then free's up the Abbotsford starter role for Gillies and Roy as the backup, then you get a couple of fillers for Alaska. Of course this all could change if Burke goes after Reimer or the like, or Gillies stays for his junior season.

[renny]

gonna miss the feeders!!!

but good luck to Berra, hopefully Ortio can take the puck and run with it.

[868904]

Originally Posted by $ven27

@adater
Allaire, who spends time in Switzerland, knew Berra and liked him. #goalieguru

They probably could have signed him for free in the summer as a ufa. They must think he can supplant Varkamov for the no 1 position this year.

[Tyler]

Glad he's gone. That guy could NOT catch the puck. One of the worst gloves in recent NHL memory.

[Dajazz]

Scary, scary, scary trade.

AVS called Burke on this, they wanted Berra.

A certain Roy coaches the AVS, he knows a thing or two about goaltending.

Looks like a "lawl ermagerd Burke fleeze OMG" on the surface, but the fact that AVS (with Roy) called makes me nervous.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Scary, scary, scary trade.

AVS called Burke on this, they wanted Berra.

A certain Roy coaches the AVS, he knows a thing or two about goaltending.

Looks like a "lawl ermagerd Burke fleeze OMG" on the surface, but the fact that AVS (with Roy) called makes me nervous.

Yeah, while I like the trade since I would have no problem letting Berra go for nothing as a UFA.... scares me that Patrick Roy see's something in him.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Yeah, while I like the trade since I would have no problem letting Berra go for nothing as a UFA.... scares me that Patrick Roy see's something in him.

Why does it scare you that Roy see's something in him? What's the worst that could happen? The Avs turn Berra into a decent NHL goalie, and we get a second round pick for an asset that was clearly losing the battle against Ramo for interim goaltender while Ortio and a Gillies develop. So what if this trade becomes a win win? Yay for everyone if that's the case.

People need to chill out. Plus people are way overrating Roy's genius at this point in time.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Yeah, while I like the trade since I would have no problem letting Berra go for nothing as a UFA.... scares me that Patrick Roy see's something in him.

You would let him walk for nothing.....but are scared that Roy would give up a 2nd for him?

Really.....

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Yeah, while I like the trade since I would have no problem letting Berra go for nothing as a UFA.... scares me that Patrick Roy see's something in him.

Yeah, but as much potential as he has, you can't teach poise in goal. I'm very sure Malarchuk has tried and now he is being rolled over. You can teach fundamentals till you are blue in the face, but you either have poise or you don't.

That said, maybe Berra grows into that. It's just that way with goaltending.

Calgary valued their second more than that. Colorado vise versa.

Good trade at this point. Could work out well for both sides or lopsided.

Really glad for the return, but can't say there is a real winner here. Berra has most of the tools needed. Now can Allaire take him to the next level??

LOL about the reminiscing re: Kipper. Mostly Burke haters postulating about what really is a needle in a haystack.

[Red John]

This could be the best trade of the deadline.

Interesting that it's Colorado, have to think Roy sees something and there's no doubt that Berra has athletic ability if he can fix some of his fundamentals. He has the upside, his work in shootouts shows it.

That said, he just doesn't track the puck well and guesses a lot which isn't promising. Weak glove.

Thing is, even if Berra ends up being a starting goalie in this league one day, Burke also has a chance to turn that 2nd into another NHLer, just like San Jose did with Vlasic after trading away Kipper.

Well done Burke.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Red John

This could be the best trade of the deadline.

Interesting that it's Colorado, have to think Roy sees something and there's no doubt that Berra has athletic ability if he can fix some of his fundamentals. He has the upside, his work in shootouts shows it.

That said, he just doesn't track the puck well and guesses a lot which isn't promising. Weak glove.

Thing is, even if Berra ends up being a starting goalie in this league one day, Burke also has a chance to turn that 2nd into another NHLer, just like San Jose did with Vlasic after trading away Kipper.

Well done Burke.

The trading of Berra speaks to the confidence mgmt and coaches have in Ortio. It's been quite awhile since the Flames have had the depth they have now in the goaltending position.

I was surprised to hear that Burke got a second and wasn't aware that other teams had seen any value in Berra. To me Berra is still a project that could one day become a reliable backup. For Burke to get what he did was amazing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Scary, scary, scary trade.

AVS called Burke on this, they wanted Berra.

A certain Roy coaches the AVS, he knows a thing or two about goaltending.

Looks like a "lawl ermagerd Burke fleeze OMG" on the surface, but the fact that AVS (with Roy) called makes me nervous.

This is a very silly fear.

1) People have different opinions about players - so what if Roy likes him? Just because he is a goalie doesn't mean he has a magic insight on all goaltenders. Based on that logic, wouldn't Gretzky be the best talent judge on the planet?

2) It sounds like it might not have been Roy anyway - Allaire seems to know him from Switzerland and likes him.

[sureLoss]

Wonder if Roy starts getting a reputation of overpaying for players he wants.

The Talbot trade and this trade seems to indicate that trend.

[renny]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is a very silly fear.

1) People have different opinions about players - so what if Roy likes him? Just because he is a goalie doesn't mean he has a magic insight on all goaltenders. Based on that logic, wouldn't Gretzky be the best talent judge on the planet?

2) It sounds like it might not have been Roy anyway - Allaire seems to know him from Switzerland and likes him.

I completely agree. Furthermore, if Roy has such a hard-on for Berra it seems pretty likely that in the offseason he'd offer a ludicrous contract in order to make sure he signs with the Avs.

In that case we would have lost Berra for nothing at all. We turned him into a 2nd rounder, that's pretty good value.