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[ignite09]

Fair enough. But like you, I don't attribute that to a rise in Atheism.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

I didn't say they didn't but at least admit it's part of the game...it's sort of a pyramid scheme, again, I'll ask. How much of your dollar goes to help people in need and how much goes to make your church extremely rich.

Your the one who's blind.

I'm somehow blind because I don't have blinders on when it comes to relgion. LOL dude! I left organised relgion some years ago due to the hypocrisy I saw. I just don't have that blind hatred you have.

How much goes to make your church extremely rich? My last church I was involved with was very poor with a huge debt. LOL you generalise waaaay to much

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'm somehow blind because I don't have blinders on when it comes to relgion. LOL dude! I left organised relgion some years ago due to the hypocrisy I saw. I just don't have that blind hatred you have.

How much goes to make your church extremely rich? My last church I was involved with was very poor with a huge debt. LOL you generalise waaaay to much

Pardon me,my apology's. I thought you actually still went to church. As far as your last church being poor and in dept I'm told most churches use the doom and gloom to get more donations, if it was a catholic church you were slightly gullible to believe it IMO.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

Pardon me,my apology's. I thought you actually still went to church. As far as your last church being poor and in dept I'm told most churches use the doom and gloom to get more donations, if it was a catholic church you were slightly gullible to believe it IMO.

I'm not buying this gloom and doom theory of yours. People give because they want to and know that tithing is a part of their faith. Those that don't hold a strong conviction in tithing often don't put money in the offering plate. At one time as a member I used to count the money put in the offering plates that were passed around and you would be suprised to find that the strongest believers are the ones that donate the most. We had alot of members who gave little to nothing.

If we needed a new roof we asked for donations. I eventualy left because of that debt and our Elders wanting to take on more of it to expand the church with "hopes" it would bring in more people. I've always been a good manager of my money and what they wanted to do went against what I believed.

What the Catholic church has done with thier money is not something I would be proud of. Alot that material wealth they have accumulated should be sold off to help all those people that were abused by Priests.

[PIMking]

Anyone that uses religon as their resononing for violence is a complete ass hat

[T@T]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Anyone that uses religon as their resononing for violence is a complete ass hat

Man, there's been a lot of ass hats, Christians alone have murdered about 1 billion people over the years

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by T@T

It was a question for you

For every dollar you put in the churches coffer how much of every dollar do you think goes to help the sick, homeless and hungry?

In Alberta, i can tell you that Catholic Social Services Sign of Hope campaign works towards 91 cents of each dollar going o programs. https://www.signofhope.ab.ca/SignofHope/whydonate.aspx

I can tell you first hand that these include non denominational services, open to any person in need.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

In Alberta, i can tell you that Catholic Social Services Sign of Hope campaign works towards 91 cents of each dollar going o programs. https://www.signofhope.ab.ca/SignofHope/whydonate.aspx

I can tell you first hand that these include non denominational services, open to any person in need.

I'm not asking about one campaign, I asked about the churches collection plates.

[killer_carlson]

Sorry dude, you asked how much goes to help the sick and how much to the church.

it is like that every year with catholic social services in Alberta.

The other area where at least the catholic church has spent billions is to try to compensate victims of the abuse. I dont know if any amount of money will ever be enough to heal those emotional wounds, but if money can compensate then billions is a good start on the road to accountability.

But i apologize for derailimg the thread into a catholic discussion when it should rightly focus on the societal response to this horrible act i Britain.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Dion

What the Catholic church has done with thier money is not something I would be proud of. Alot that material wealth they have accumulated should be sold off to help all those people that were abused by Priests.

Catholic charities are some of the biggest in the world. In the U.S., charities funded by the Catholic Church make up between 17-34% of social services according to this article: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ial-services-/ Far below the 50% claimed by that politician, but still pretty substantial considering that the U.S. is the richest country in the world. I read somewhere a while ago that more than 10% of hospitals in the world are funded by Catholic charities, although I can't find the information now so take it with a grain of salt I guess.

Catholic charities also account for 5% of the health care spending in the U.S., with over 600 hundred hospitals accounting for 17% of hospital admissions. http://www.businessweek.com/stories/...h-how-it-works

I am not doubting that the Catholic Church has acquired a lot of material wealth over the past 2,000 years, but the Church is as much a cultural institution as it is a religious one. The head of the religion is also a head of an internationally recognized sovereign nation - a nation with only one industry (an industry which funds countless charitable causes). Saying they should sell it off would be like saying the U.S., despite all the charity that arises from the country and claims of altruism, should sell off the Smithsonian contents to fund charities. Even the British Royal family get's defended for its wealth hoarding under the premise that they generate tourism revenue and donate to charities, but I would wager that it falls well below contributions from Catholic sources (or Jewish and Muslim sources for that matter). The old saying; "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water...", applies here IMO.

On a side note, the whole religion and racism debate is unbelievable. Humans made religion and if there are inherently racist practices in religions it's because humans are inherently racist and just all around terrible creatures. Even our closest evolutionary relatives have social structures that use discrimination and clanism and I don't see many religious customs being practiced.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

On a side note, the whole religion and racism debate is unbelievable. Humans made religion and if there are inherently racist practices in religions it's because humans are inherently racist and just all around terrible creatures. Even our closest evolutionary relatives have social structures that use discrimination and clanism and I don't see many religious customs being practiced.

Organized religion; a justification to act like animals. Sounds right to me.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by T@T

Meanwhile the crap is hitting the fan in Britain,

-A mosque was set a blaze Sunday,

-The English Defence League demonstrated in the town's center the morning before the fire. On Monday, hundreds of EDL supporters marched near the central London office of Prime Minister David Cameron.

-In a demonstration in Newcastle on Saturday, angry supporters cried out for Muslims to leave the country.

-The EDL claims Islamic law is poised to overthrow British society and calls for Britons to act aggressively to pre-empt it.
"If we fail to show courage now, we will leave revolution, civil war or subjugation to our children and our children's children," reads the motto on the EDL's website. "Any act of muslim extremism will now be countered by the EDL," it vows on its Facebook page.

-Members of the EDL clashed with police near the scene of Ribgy's killing last week. A tweet from its official account proclaimed then that "it's fair to say that finally the country is waking up!:-) NO SURRENDER!"

-Britain is forming a task force that will examine the dynamics behind extremist groups in the country, Prime Minister David Cameron's office announced Sunday.
The group, led by Cameron, will "have a general focus on extremist groups, but accept that in practice the greatest threat is from Islamist extremists," a statement from Downing Street said.

I guess the English got bored hating Catholics for the time being, time to switch it up!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Organized religion; a justification to act like animals. Sounds right to me.

You can replace "organized religion" with:

• nation states
• resources
• monarchs
• race/ethnicity
• political ideology

Humans have never needed as excuse to act like animals. From my point of view, almost all "religious" wars are rooted in something else and religion is just a way to draw up the teams.

[Nage Waza]

Back to the original topic...riots have continued in Sweden for almost a week which will likely end in riots taking place in other countries.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You can replace "organized religion" with:

• nation states
• resources
• monarchs
• race/ethnicity
• political ideology

Humans have never needed as excuse to act like animals. From my point of view, almost all "religious" wars are rooted in something else and religion is just a way to draw up the teams.

Sure, you can add those five reasons to the list, but you can't take religion (organized or not) out of it.

The "God is on our side" angle works pretty well, obviously, in not only drawing up the teams, but recruiting players. So it is part of the deal.

There is no doubt that there is a religious aspect to this terrible crime.