[News] Toronto and another team granted permission to talk to Kipper

[Poe969]

I think we should target Gardiner from the leafs, if he's available than go after him. Their first rounder should be the goal but I don't know if they'd give it up.

[gargamel]

I wonder if Toronto would give us their first for Kipper and the Pen's first. They probably buy their own hype enough to believe that the Pen's pick will be better than theirs, but it would almost certainly move us up several spots. I think both teams do that deal.

[PeteMoss]

Trade Iginla for a couple of NCAA guys... ALL FEASTER WANTS IS COLLEGE PLAYERS!!!

Trade Bouwmeester for a short defenseman... ALL FEASTER WANTS IS SHORT PLAYERS!!!

[Caged Great]

One thing that each of the 4 guys that Feaster acquired is that they are all performing well in their respective leagues. Those guys are all bottom end of a roster players with some potential to be more than that. If any of them become legit NHL players beyond 2015, then it's a bonus. You can't fault him for trying to find guys that are doing well that could break out. We've seen players that once they're given a shot, they actually develop. PA Parenteau was a similar prospect to Agostini and didn't really get an opportunity till he was 27ish and took off and is now getting 4 million a year.

All feaster did was get "Potential" darts to throw at the dartboard. If any hit the target it's a bonus.

[DuffMan]

What is the plan going forward without Kipper? I mean, if we had a plan to replace him with someone competent, why not just tell him he is no longer considered the #1 goalie and will have to fight for the job. At 1.5/year I don't think it is such a bad idea, IF have another goalie in mind. Even Macdonald is doing way better and could theoretically be the #1, so why not keep Kipper around.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

All feaster did was get "Potential" darts to throw at the dartboard. If any hit the target it's a bonus.

Yeah, I don't know what people wanted back in return considering our present situation, did they want some more gritty 2nd and 3rd liners. I think just getting some longshot potential back like you said is fine at the moment, We can regroup in the summer, with some cash and picks in their pockets.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Yeah, I don't know what people wanted back in return considering our present situation, did they want some more gritty 2nd and 3rd liners. I think just getting some longshot potential back like you said is fine at the moment, We can regroup in the summer, with some cash and picks in their pockets.

The most important pieces in these trades were the picks and the cash. If we get some cheap young lower line guys to move us away from the Jackmans and Comeaus, all the better.

Using the cap space in the off season could help us turn things around quicker.

[really?]

The guys being added seem to possess a high degree of "compete'" which has been sorely lacking from the Flames since 2005. Should be a much higher level of hockey being played in Calgary in 2-3 years as long as the team fights the temptation to go after satisfied "name," players

[Leafs]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

Are any of these prospects at all do-able in a Kipper Trade?

Carter Ashton
Stuart Percy
Tyler biggs
Brad Ross

Percy is a definite no. I would say he's among our most promising defensive prospects. I feel that the others aren't available either. I think the deal will be centred around a draft pick(s), but of that group Ashton is probably the most available in a trade.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

Any word or speculation on who the other team might be?

Hawks.

[Kavvy]

As my hockey knowledge only comes from my playing days, which were never very good, I don't say a whole lot but here goes:

To most NHL teams in playoff contention, Kipper is one of the best back up’s they could possibly ask to have to offset the goalie duties for their team down the run, or to create an insurance clause in case their main guy falls.

He is also dirt cheap the way his contract is set up

His cap hit is a little hard for quite a few teams to swallow for a backup goalie.


Despite the cap hit, I would have through more than 2 teams are interested, hopefully that means Feaster is asking more than the other GM’s value Kipper at.

If we don’t get an offer 100% lopsided for the flames – let the dude retire in Calgary. It’s embarrassing if he has to tell teams he will retire if he is traded to them, and it could possibly reflect poorly on other future signings when we beg for another “hometown discount”. Signing multiple players to a salary 10% less then they may deserve can make the difference to a contending team and a golf season team. This marketing ploy/truth was one thing Sutter did quite well, and we need to try it again when we are contenders in the future – no matter how far away it is.

With how little he is currently getting paid in terms of his average contract, kids in the city, Kipper retiring immediately after a trade is no empty threat. This would create bad blood between one of most beloved players in the last 20 years and the franchise, something fans do not want a 3rd round draft pick for.

I do honestly believe (and my hockey opinion has little value) players will come to franchises which feel gives them a fair shake when crunch time happens in that franchise. This is about future marketing of our team to other players.

Feaster- Handle this very carefully, this isn’t about your job, this is about the future of the franchise.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Hawks.

Is that speculation or based on a news report?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is that speculation or based on a news report?

Based on reports, but I can't recall where. Heard it a couple times yesterday though.

[JiriHrdina]

A big question here is - is Kipper even willing to accept a deal if he's the backup. Or does he only go if he's told he's going to play.

[browna]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

A big question here is - is Kipper even willing to accept a deal if he's the backup. Or does he only go if he's told he's going to play.

Have a good chance to go far in the playoffs watching from the bench the next two years (assuming Emery doesn't meltdown) or play more under the all-seeing microscope in Toronto.
And then there is his smoking buddy:

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

A big question here is - is Kipper even willing to accept a deal if he's the backup. Or does he only go if he's told he's going to play.

Considering he would not play for his Olympic team unless they named him starter, i doubt he wants to leave his family to watch 2 months of playoffs from the bench.

I wonder if he would waive to a place like Tampa were they would not make playoffs this year? He would be a starter next year with a better chance of making the playoffs than Calgary has.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Really curious as to what could be a return for Kipper. Anything from a 2nd + good prospect, to just 'future considerations'. Will be interesting.

I really want Kipper to be traded away. The team is not sticking up for him. They are playing horrible defence. He is being left to dry.

You can just tell he isn't having a good time on the ice at all. He is no longer the 'unflappable Fin'. Only a matter of time before the fans at the dome start giving him the bronx cheer again.

I think he will rebound in a team that is a bit 'tougher' than Calgary, and won't let him be run. That actually plays defence. A team with defencemen that clear the net. I bet he rebounds and extends. I think if he stays in Calgary, this season will drive him into retirement.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Really curious as to what could be a return for Kipper. Anything from a 2nd + good prospect, to just 'future considerations'. Will be interesting.

I really want Kipper to be traded away. The team is not sticking up for him. They are playing horrible defence. He is being left to dry.

You can just tell he isn't having a good time on the ice at all. He is no longer the 'unflappable Fin'. Only a matter of time before the fans at the dome start giving him the bronx cheer again.

I think he will rebound in a team that is a bit 'tougher' than Calgary, and won't let him be run. That actually plays defence. A team with defencemen that clear the net. I bet he rebounds and extends. I think if he stays in Calgary, this season will drive him into retirement.

Agreed, I believe Kipper is in a toxic environment right now and he needs to get out ASAP. He needs to be a 1B guy somewhere next year, otherwise this whole thing is for not.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Kavy

As my hockey knowledge only comes from my playing days, which were never very good, I don't say a whole lot but here goes:

To most NHL teams in playoff contention, Kipper is one of the best back up’s they could possibly ask to have to offset the goalie duties for their team down the run, or to create an insurance clause in case their main guy falls.

He is also dirt cheap the way his contract is set up

His cap hit is a little hard for quite a few teams to swallow for a backup goalie.


Despite the cap hit, I would have through more than 2 teams are interested, hopefully that means Feaster is asking more than the other GM’s value Kipper at.

If we don’t get an offer 100% lopsided for the flames – let the dude retire in Calgary. It’s embarrassing if he has to tell teams he will retire if he is traded to them, and it could possibly reflect poorly on other future signings when we beg for another “hometown discount”. Signing multiple players to a salary 10% less then they may deserve can make the difference to a contending team and a golf season team. This marketing ploy/truth was one thing Sutter did quite well, and we need to try it again when we are contenders in the future – no matter how far away it is.

With how little he is currently getting paid in terms of his average contract, kids in the city, Kipper retiring immediately after a trade is no empty threat. This would create bad blood between one of most beloved players in the last 20 years and the franchise, something fans do not want a 3rd round draft pick for.

I do honestly believe (and my hockey opinion has little value) players will come to franchises which feel gives them a fair shake when crunch time happens in that franchise. This is about future marketing of our team to other players.

Feaster- Handle this very carefully, this isn’t about your job, this is about the future of the franchise.

Oh please. I'm tired of this line of thinking.

This is exactly what caused this country club mentality that is so prevalent around these parts.

Here's an idea: Sign players that want to be here because they want to either win or prove they're winners to whatever their market value is. Don't hand out no trades to 3/4 of your roster and ship their sorry ass out when they don't perform. Kipper flat out sucks this season, get whatever you can for him and to hell with his feelings.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Really curious as to what could be a return for Kipper. Anything from a 2nd + good prospect, to just 'future considerations'. Will be interesting.

I really want Kipper to be traded away. The team is not sticking up for him. They are playing horrible defence. He is being left to dry.

You can just tell he isn't having a good time on the ice at all. He is no longer the 'unflappable Fin'. Only a matter of time before the fans at the dome start giving him the bronx cheer again.

I think he will rebound in a team that is a bit 'tougher' than Calgary, and won't let him be run. That actually plays defence. A team with defencemen that clear the net. I bet he rebounds and extends. I think if he stays in Calgary, this season will drive him into retirement.

He played with no desire yesterday, not a player we need on this team.

He gave his best in the past, but the team really needs him now, he is the goto skill guy and he clocked out.