My point is that being at .500 points-wise is absolutely meaningless in a system where there are extra points given out for OT or shootout losses.
We get it, no one is disagreeing with you that being merely .500 is not something you want to strive towards. You're the one that seemed to disagree with someone who posted that the team was .500. So how about we put all this behind us.
Sorry about continuing this discussion, but I was getting called out on my math, so I need to defend myself. I’m not saying that the Flames are not .500 points-wise. They obviously are. My point is that being at .500 points-wise is absolutely meaningless in a system where there are extra points given out for OT or shootout losses. A team could finish the season at .500 and be dead last in the league by a wide margin.
Totally wrong. 82 pts will never be last place, especially by a wide margin. Point percentage is much more indicative of standing than win percentage. Ten games over .500 points percentage at the end of the season is always 92 points. That's not ambiguous.
Totally wrong. 82 pts will never be last place, especially by a wide margin. Point percentage is much more indicative of standing than win percentage. Ten games over .500 points percentage at the end of the season is always 92 points. That's not ambiguous.
Agreed. Not saying it would happen, but could happen.
I think it's just that I'm surrounded by Oiler fans all day who constantly are bragging about how they are over .500 so far this year, even though they have only 4 wins out of 10, and only 1 regulation win in 10 games. That's why it bugs me.
Actually I thought his defensive game was weaker in Columbus then it has been. Maybe he thought he needed to be the guy to tie things up or get that go ahead goal, but he wasn't as engaged last night as he has been through the season.
Some of his bad habits showed up last night. Too high on the boards in his own end, attacking the puck carrier in the neutral zone when he is already covered by another flame. All in all though, it looks like he is at least engaged in the system and trying.
His work on the PP is what pisses me off the most. He has been a bit of a turnover machine on the PP...kinda like Bourque used to do.
It is really funny that you say this as before the OT goal, I was cursing Iggy for not going down low and helping Brodie out to gain the puck. He was pretty much just standing there and waiting to go on the offense. It did work this time but he needs to commit and help his team win those battles. I guess though that could leave his d-man open.
Brodie won the board battle and, by skating to the front of the net, opened up a lane for Iggy. Really amazing play on Brodie’s part.
Little different in 4 0n 4. If you have two guys battling against one, you are screwed if you dont win the puck.
Hartley's break out plan is quite obviously built around speed and quick passes. Consequently, we are no longer relying on 35-year-old Iginla trying to bull his way into the zone because 25-year-old Igina could do it. So without Iggy feeling the need to lead a rush, he's no longer leaving the zone so early. And because of that, he is usually in a better defensive position.
Putting him on the PK helps too. Too many of his coaches kept him off it because they wanted him focusing on offence. Then we bitch because he was too focused on offence!
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I think they kept him off it because he isnt good at it. I would rather see Blair Jones, Begin diving in front of shots than the Iggy flamingo
The systems aren't that different without the puck ... Iginla just didn't roll his sleeves up in recent seasons, but now he is.
no coach would instruct a winger to just stand in open ice doing neither of a) covering his D or b) collapsing down low to help out the defenseman and the center
So Iginla ignores Sutter for years despite the team failing, but in a 6 day training camp, some of which Iginla was injured, Hartley somehow gets him to buy in?
Seems far fetched.
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no coach would instruct a winger to just stand in open ice doing neither of a) covering his D or b) collapsing down low to help out the defenseman and the center
I somewhat disagree.
I swear part of Sutter's system was to have one winger (Iginla) stopped around center ice waiting for a pass from the D. The problem was, even if this winger received the puck, he was stopped and so was essentially ineffective, as:
- if stopped winger started to skate with the puck, his center and other winger would have to slow down, which slowed us down.
- if he made a pass to the breaking out winger/center, the pass would go through a clogged neutral zone
- which leads to plan c (or likely a): to dump it in and chase. However since one winger was stopped, we wouldn't be able to overload the opposition defense to win the puck battle.
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I think they kept him off it because he isnt good at it. I would rather see Blair Jones, Begin diving in front of shots than the Iggy flamingo
Disagree with this....he, at one time, was an elite PKer for this team...particularly under D. Sutter IIRC...he and Conroy were very very good together shorthanded.
I think subsequent coaches started to take him off PK to try and cut down on his overall minutes, not because he was no good at it.
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So Iginla ignores Sutter for years despite the team failing, but in a 6 day training camp, some of which Iginla was injured, Hartley somehow gets him to buy in?
Seems far fetched.
Not if you concider other factors, such as Iginla and Sutter being at odds with each other.
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Little different in 4 0n 4. If you have two guys battling against one, you are screwed if you dont win the puck.
Ya it is hard to ride Iginla on that one, 4 on 4 is pretty much man to man coverage. If you beat a guy you get an odd man advantage, it basically comes down to guys winning one on one battles. If Iginla goes into the corner on that play and the BJ's actually get the puck you can almost guarantee that they would have had a grade A scoring chance.
Agreed. Not saying it would happen, but could happen.
I think it's just that I'm surrounded by Oiler fans all day who constantly are bragging about how they are over .500 so far this year, even though they have only 4 wins out of 10, and only 1 regulation win in 10 games. That's why it bugs me.
Agreed. Not saying it would happen, but could happen.
I think it's just that I'm surrounded by Oiler fans all day who constantly are bragging about how they are over .500 so far this year, even though they have only 4 wins out of 10, and only 1 regulation win in 10 games. That's why it bugs me.
The greatest joy when your team has no expectations is to go over to HF before the game and go to the opponents forum and watch them talk about the easy win that was going to happen against the Flames, how terrible we are, and how it would be a disgrace to lose to the Flames.
Its a joy when we win.
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Regardless of popular opinion on Iginal I am standing behind mine. In my opinion he still stands around more often than not. In my eyes the improvement in his game is little more than cosmetic. When he does play defense he is pretty good at it, but that just makes it more infuriating when he doesn't.
I think our star forward who gets the most icetime and the best linemates should lead the stats in something more than faceoffs.
(Btw, kudos to the coaches for finally having Iggy take a lot of faceoffs. Iggy has always been very good at it. At this pace Iggy will break his personal record in total faceoffs in a season, and I'm not talking pro-rated numbers.)
The one thing I noticed watching the highlights, that I haven't seen in a long long time, was that the Flames actually scored off the rush. We never did that under Brent, and it made me so very sad.
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The one thing I noticed watching the highlights, that I haven't seen in a long long time, was that the Flames actually scored off the rush. We never did that under Brent, and it made me so very sad.
Not only that but both Feaster and Sutter were actively trying to sell the idea that "we're not a team that scores off the rush."
