Bicyclists suck!

[Byrns]

And Bylaw was back again this morning doing very good business.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by chemgear

More to the "hey, the rules don't apply to me" thought.

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

A Calgary woman is furious over what she says is a cash grab by the city after she was issued a ticket for riding through a pathway construction zone.

Warnock admits that she didn't see the signs and says if she had she would have dismounted.

Meh, the same people will complain about their traffic tickets and how the cop was totally screwing them. Some people just can't take responsibility. If you're riding at the time the by-law guys were ticketing, you are likely a bike commuter and there is no way you missed those signs. Even if you aren't there every day, they are obvious.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

And Shantz's law strikes again.
Not only did she call it a cash grab, but she straight up asked the bylaw officers if they had anything better to do.

Boo Yeah!

[You Need a Thneed]

How narrow does the path get there? How long is the construction zone?

If there were truly no pedestrians on the path, it really seems like a case of the officers ticketing for the letter of the law, but completely ignoring the spirit of the law.

Also, the signs are orange diamonds, which are warning/ advisory signs, not regulatory signs usually. I can't think of any other orange or yellow diamond signs that are regulatory. It could easily be argued that the signs don't order cyclists to dismount, but rather that they recommend that cyclists dismount, in fact, that's exactly what someone who understands traffic laws and signs would understand the sign to mean, based on the colour and shape of the sign.

[Locke]

How do you not see construction signs?

They're massive, orange and everywhere. Not to mention the fact that they're usually accompanied by several massive, yellow bulldozers and various other construction equipment.

Oh yeah, and your ride is either a lot smoother or a lot rougher than usual, depending on level of completion.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Also, the signs are orange diamonds, which are warning/ advisory signs, not regulatory signs usually.

I think you are thinking of the yellow signs. Orange are for construction and are usually regulatory.

But I get this- they don't want people whipping through on their bikes; it's a safety issue.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I think you are thinking of the yellow signs. Orange are for construction and are usually regulatory.

Orange signs are just like yellow signs, except that they also imply construction. The actual regulatory signs through construction zones aren't orange.

Description of Regulatory Signs.

Description of Warning Signs.

View all signs and descriptions here.

Also, the Alberta Traffic Accomodation Manual here. Scroll approximately 1/3 of the way through the document to get to diagrams. Warning Signs (Non regulatory) are orange. Regulatory signs are never orange.

If they actually want to give tickets to cyclists through there, the signs can't be orange warning signs.

[shane_c]

It's obvious that cars and bikes don't get along. Why don't we move them to the sidewalk for a little while to see if they can get along with pedestrians. From what I've noticed around here most of the times the sidewalks are empty anyway. Voila, instant bike lane.

[BurningYears]

Ok this is just ridiculous, these people are just too impatient to walk their bikes for 200m and want to save themselves 2 mins of time on their commute. I think the reason they have bicyclists dismounting is not because of the construction or how narrow it is, but because you are sharing the path with pedestrians. All along memorial there is a seperate pedestrian pathway and a bicycle/rollerblade pathway and due to the construction they have to merge together down the pathway with no shoulder.

This is coming from a commuting cyclist, just get off your bike!

[IliketoPuck]

Hypothetically.

If someone I knew did not dismount their bike, and saw the bylaw officer up ahead about to pull them over, then pulled a quick U-turn and took the 10st bridge instead, what would be the repercussions?

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Orange signs are just like yellow signs, except that they also imply construction. The actual regulatory signs through construction zones aren't orange.

Description of Regulatory Signs.

Description of Warning Signs.

View all signs and descriptions here.

Also, the Alberta Traffic Accomodation Manual here. Scroll approximately 1/3 of the way through the document to get to diagrams. Warning Signs (Non regulatory) are orange. Regulatory signs are never orange.

If they actually want to give tickets to cyclists through there, the signs can't be orange warning signs.

I think you're misunderstanding. WD (Construction, Orange) signage is enforceable by law, much like RA (Regulatory, White) is. WA (Warning, Yellow) signage is not.

The pictures of the construction site are WD signs (such as the "Cyclists Dismount" sign), and are therefore enforceable.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Hypothetically.

If someone I knew did not dismount their bike, and saw the bylaw officer up ahead about to pull them over, then pulled a quick U-turn and took the 10st bridge instead, what would be the repercussions?

Pack your bags and get out of the house RIGHT NOW!

They're coming for you!

[IliketoPuck]

Hypothetically speaking I should call my friend and tell them to get out of their house.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I think you're misunderstanding. WD (Construction, Orange) signage is enforceable by law, much like RA (Regulatory, White) is. WA (Warning, Yellow) signage is not.

The pictures of the construction site are WD signs (such as the "Cyclists Dismount" sign), and are therefore enforceable.

I don't think that's correct. But also, there's never anything on orange signs that is actually anything to do with enforcement. "Construction Ahead," "Lane ending ahead", and even "flagperson ahead" don't have anything to enforce, they simply let you know something, so I don't know why it would have to be written in the law that orange construction signs are enforceable, since there's never anything to enforce.

The speed limit signs, and no passing signs and the like that are enforceable are never orange.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Orange is used for temporary regulations.

Temporary conditions signs and devices are used to regulate, warn and guide drivers in work zones where construction, maintenance or utility activities, or other temporary and unusual conditions are on or adjacent to the road.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

Orange is used for temporary regulations.

Temporary conditions signs and devices are used to regulate, warn and guide drivers in work zones where construction, maintenance or utility activities, or other temporary and unusual conditions are on or adjacent to the road.

where are you getting this definition from? I was trying all over the Alebrta government site trying to find anything referring to orange construction signs as anything other that warning signs.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

where are you getting this definition from? I was trying all over the Alebrta government site trying to find anything referring to orange construction signs as anything other that warning signs.

That quote is from the MUTCDC (Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Canada). When there is no local guidance on specific issues (Alberta is missing tons), then you refer to the MUTCDC.

As a matter of semantics, construction signs should always be orange, so calling them orange construction signs is redundant.

Anyway, there are construction signs with enforceable messages on them all the time. For example, I have signed construction projects with messages like "Construction Access Only", "Road Closed", "Local Traffic Only", "Sidewalk Closed", and "Yield to Oncoming Traffic". Also, let's not forget the days before "Speed Fines Double" (a regulatory sign that took a year to be approved), and you'd be using Construction Next Xkm as the beginning of a double fine zone!

[rayne008]

I guess this isn't just a Calgary concern...

[chemgear]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/travel/...537/story.html

CALGARY — A bike lane that popped up over the weekend on 10th Street N.W. has infuriated motorists and frustrated some cyclists, who say city officials have not done enough to let the public know about changes to the route.

A southbound traffic lane of 10th Street has been removed to make room for the new bike lane, one of the city’s longest, running from 23rd Avenue, past SAIT, to 5th Avenue N.W.

Drivers heading south to the Kensington business district and the downtown Monday morning were greeted to long delays and new road markings which confused both cyclists and motorists.

[Bill Bumface]

I know it would cost a crap load, but why not lane reverse 10th street? 1 lane bikes, 2 Southbound lanes, 1 Northbound lane in the morning; 1 lane bikes, 2 Northbound lanes, 1 Southbound lane in the evening?