2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hear me out:

Jakob Voracek + 1st from Columbus for monahan to cap help them.

The Jackets are in cap trouble this year not next year. The 2 million or so they safe this year does not even get them out of their cap trouble completely. They are going to have to move Nyqvist.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Weegar - Tanev
Kylington - Andersson
Valimaki/Mackey - Zadorov

That's not a great defense to being with, but if one top4 guy goes down we're completely screwed. Who wants to see a Kylington - Zadorov 2nd pairing in the regular season, let alone playoffs? Not me.
If the plan next year is to make the playoffs and compete, outside of injuries, Valimaki and Mackey don't get a sniff of regular season games unless they can prove they are a step ahead of Kylington, which seems unlikely at this point.
Keep the defense the way it is. It's an absolute luxury to be able to have the stable of guys we have right now.

People still under rating Zadorov big time

7th defenceman after losing Hanifin lol

[mile]

I think Stone will be re-signed as well. Was the team's representative at the Stampede parade, and is probably letting Trelivng take care of other business first before making it official late in the summer as always.

Valimaki probably gets moved for a pick or a prospect who also needs a change of scenery before he gets exposed to waivers.

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These waivers would likely happen at the end of camp, same time that every other team's doing the same, like every other year, where we see few waiver claims.

Sure there's a risk, but I don't think it's a big risk.

But... to avoid the potential of losing someone for nothing, I'd rather we at least trade one of Kylington or Valimaki for either some forward depth (if we trade one of Monahan or Lucic), or just a pick or prospect (if we don't).

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hear me out:

Jakob Voracek + 1st from Columbus for monahan to cap help them.

The fact Voracek has 2 years left at $8.25M makes this pretty much impossible.

If it was only 1 year I would be all over it.

[SeanCharles]

Why is everyone giving up on Valimaki?

Every summer I read this about someone else.

Oddly enough alot of people were ready to move on from Tkachuk and Gaudreau last summer.

We shouldn't be moving guys we have invested so heavily in. Valimaki is still young for an NHL dman.

Mackey is 26 years old next fall and everyone is ready to call him an NHLer but are wanting to punt Valimaki to the curb.

Have a bit of patience and see what he does this coming training camp.

[littlereddevil]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Why is everyone giving up on Valimaki?

Every summer I read this about someone else.

Oddly enough alot of people were ready to move on from Tkachuk and Gaudreau last summer.

We shouldn't be moving guys we have invested so heavily in. Valimaki is still young for an NHL dman.

Mackey is 26 years old next fall and everyone is ready to call him an NHLer but are wanting to punt Valimaki to the curb.

Have a bit of patience and see what he does this coming training camp.

Very true. I think people are just quick to give up on him because he was a 1st round pick and with that comes bigger expectations that he'd have already jumped into the line-up.

I think the Flames are dealing with a position of strength here having improved their depth in defence. This will place them in an advantageous spot in pre-season / early season when teams will be looking to fill up holes in their line-ups. Flames could leverage that depth on defence to trade whomever is on the bottom of their depth charts, and use it to bolster their forward depth.

Also it's worth noting that Weegar didn't break into the NHL as a regular defenceman until he was 23, and didn't really evolve into the defenceman he is today until the past 2 years. So let's see how Valimaki performs this pre-season and in training camp before we trade him / expose him to waivers. Perhaps he will surprise us.

Otherwise it's likely that this will be his last contract with the Flames.

[saillias]

They have obvious holes up front. They have a selke nominee center who is the second best defensive center on the team. A vezina nominee goalie, a top 5 defensive defenseman. We're not going to let in many goals, makes sense to me to use a surplus of talent in one area to shore up a bigger area of concern.

[Mathgod]

Weegar
Tanev
Hanifin
Andersson
Zadorov
Kylington
Välimäki
Mackey
Meloche
Gilbert

That's 10 D men, and that's not including Micheal Stone who the Flames could bring back.

Flames are clearly a top 6 forward short, so moving out Hanifin for a quality top 6 forward + would make sense, given the current circumstances. It's not like Hanifin was a force in these playoffs. Of the 12 playoff games this year, he was a + in only one of them.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by littlereddevil

Very true. I think people are just quick to give up on him because he was a 1st round pick and with that comes bigger expectations that he'd have already jumped into the line-up.

I think the Flames are dealing with a position of strength here having improved their depth in defence. This will place them in an advantageous spot in pre-season / early season when teams will be looking to fill up holes in their line-ups. Flames could leverage that depth on defence to trade whomever is on the bottom of their depth charts, and use it to bolster their forward depth.

Also it's worth noting that Weegar didn't break into the NHL as a regular defenceman until he was 23, and didn't really evolve into the defenceman he is today until the past 2 years. So let's see how Valimaki performs this pre-season and in training camp before we trade him / expose him to waivers. Perhaps he will surprise us.

Otherwise it's likely that this will be his last contract with the Flames.

Yeah I hate that "expectation of a 1st rounder". Valimaki was a 16th overall pick. Kylington was touted the year before his draft as being a top-5 pick. Ended up going 60th and didn't break into the NHL as an every day player until he was 24. Backlund didn't become a regular NHL'er until he was 23 either.

Valimaki was a 16th overall pick, and will be 24 when this season starts - he has also lost considerable time to injury and a pandemic. I think this season is the season we see Valimaki make his mark. We certainly should not be writing him off as a fan base.

I still actually believe Valimaki is going to be a top-4 defenceman, which then makes the Taylor Hall fan in me want to see the Flames trade Hanifin to Boston for Hall + 2nd round pick (in '25).

[Mr.Coffee]

Hanifin wasn't amazing in the Oil series but I do feel like Flames fans are unreasonably hard on him too. He is still an excellent Dman and (IMO, probably alone on this) our best D. I wouldn't be trading him anytime soon and instead would look to move Kylington who plays a style that is risky and likely prone to future injuries. He skates awkwardly and moves his body in a style that with the wrong timing or bump likely leads to injury. I think you capitalize on his value before contracting yourself to him at over $3MM because he will never be what Hanifin delivers and if we are being totally honest Weegar is a relative unknown at this stage.

[mile]

I'm okay with letting it play out in training camp, but with Vali having $1.55mil cap hit as opposed to Mackey's $912k, he would have to make one of the top 6 out of camp and it's hard to see that happening under Sutter honestly. He doesn't look anywhere close to NHL ready from what posters are saying from watching the Heat. It would be tough to keep him as a #7/8 guy at that cap hit. He also could've had a stronger training camp last fall after the criticism he took, or be one of the Heat's best defensemen after getting sent down, or played a better game against the Sharks when he got called up again.

It's different from Kylington, who Sutter has always liked (even when he barely played) as he said they have the same ideas about how the game should be played. There was also a gaping hole at defense after Gio left, all ready for Kylington to take unlike this season.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Hanifin wasn't amazing in the Oil series but I do feel like Flames fans are unreasonably hard on him too. He is still an excellent Dman and (IMO, probably alone on this) our best D. I wouldn't be trading him anytime soon and instead would look to move Kylington who plays a style that is risky and likely prone to future injuries. He skates awkwardly and moves his body in a style that with the wrong timing or bump likely leads to injury. I think you capitalize on his value before contracting yourself to him at over $3MM because he will never be what Hanifin delivers and if we are being totally honest Weegar is a relative unknown at this stage.

There's lots of room in Kylington's game for growth, and I think he could become a true top-pairing defenseman if he shores up the weaknesses in his game. Giving up on him now would be a mistake IMO.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hear me out:

Jakob Voracek + 1st from Columbus for monahan to cap help them.

The first is on the wrong side. Voracek is still useful, Monny needs to prove he still is.

They could likely trade Voracek and a first to Chicago for a bag of chips.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by mile

I'm okay with letting it play out in training camp, but with Vali having $1.55mil cap hit as opposed to Mackey's $912k, he would have to make one of the top 6 out of camp and it's hard to see that happening under Sutter honestly. He doesn't look anywhere close to NHL ready from what posters are saying from watching the Heat. It would be tough to keep him as a #7/8 guy at that cap hit. He also could've had a stronger training camp last fall after the criticism he took, or be one of the Heat's best defensemen after getting sent down, or played a better game against the Sharks when he got called up again.

It's different from Kylington, who Sutter has always liked (even when he barely played) as he said they have the same ideas about how the game should be played. There was also a gaping hole at defense after Gio left, all ready for Kylington to take unlike this season.

I don't think Mackey is sticking around as our #7 either as it is today. I think that belongs to Meloche if the roster stays the same it does today.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The first is on the wrong side. Voracek is still useful, Monny needs to prove he still is.

They could likely trade Voracek and a first to Chicago for a bag of chips.

A bag of chips isn't their new superstars best friend. + 1 year shorter contract. + savings. +if you remove the #### colored glasses you have on for mono you'd know he's not as valueless as you claim.

[SnipeShow]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

A bag of chips isn't their new superstars best friend. + 1 year shorter contract. + savings. +if you remove the #### colored glasses you have on for mono you'd know he's not as valueless as you claim.

Then you replace that with a bag of Skittles, problem solved.

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[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Weegar
Tanev
Hanifin
Andersson
Zadorov
Kylington
Välimäki
Mackey
Meloche
Gilbert

That's 10 D men, and that's not including Micheal Stone who the Flames could bring back.

Flames are clearly a top 6 forward short, so moving out Hanifin for a quality top 6 forward + would make sense, given the current circumstances. It's not like Hanifin was a force in these playoffs. Of the 12 playoff games this year, he was a + in only one of them.

For me I think Mackey and Gilbert are not in the same tier as the others from an asset value perspective, they fairly obviously get waived barring one of the top 8 getting traded. I think Gilbert would clear but Mackey could get picked up as a seventh dman by another team who are desperate, he moves the puck a lot better than Gilbert. Probably gotta take that chance though as I don't see him bringing back a significant asset anyway.

Carrying 8 dmen is obviously a non-starter so for me the choice with the remaining group is do you do something now or wait until Tanev comes back and it is forced. i'd bet they will try to slip Meloche through waivers when that happens or make a trade if he plays well enough to force their hand.

I know Valimaki wasn't great last year but with his physical skills he is going to be at worst a bottom pairing NHL defenceman imo and needs to be in the league this year learning from NHL coaches and peers day in day out. He's too valuable an asset not to invest the time in with how old the team is getting and moving him now would be a huge sell low

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I think you are dramatically under estimating Pelletier. He has been an elite two way, even strength scorer at every level he has ever played at.



He was the top 3 in rookie scoring in the AHL as a 20 year old and feasted on 5v5 scoring there.



He's outscored more highly rated prospects in the AHL.



The kids future is very bright. All signs point to a top 6 scorer.

I agree with you on the outlook for him. He's developed quite nicely. But playing in the top 6 is hard for any player who hasn't played in the NHL before. Harder to check, harder to keep up and harder to score. He'll need his time to get up to NHL pace and smart coaches won't put him in a tough spot in the top 6 to do this.

They're not the same player and not the same position, but many here pencilled Valimaki into the 2nd pairing many moons ago too. We need to be more realistic with our prospects.

[Moneyhands23]

I think Stone is a good Gudbranson replacement. Give him 3 years at 1.5mil.