PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

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Some interesting poll numbers:

60% of Trump voters think that Hillary Clinton received millions of illegal votes to only 18% who disagree with that concept and 22% who aren't sure either way.

40% of Trump voters insist that he won the national popular vote to only 49% who grant that Clinton won it and 11% who aren't sure.

73% of Trump voters think that George Soros is paying protesters against Trump to only 6% who think that's not true, and 21% who aren't sure one way or the other.

Only 54% of Trump voters expressly say they don't think #Pizzagate is real.

67% of Trump voters say that unemployment increased during the Obama administration, to only 20% who say it decreased.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...nal_120916.pdf

The other interesting thing was there was a question about if Trump should release his tax returns, and 60% believe he should, but if you break that one down, 92% of Clinton voters think he should, but 60% of Trump voters think he should not.

While I think it's important for the media to do stories on Trump's kleptocracy, I don't think that that's going to be a point of traction that Democrats can use to gain ground, I don't think Trump voters care.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by New Era

As predicted? I guess it depends on which narrative you were believing. If you believed the narrative that Trump was going to moderate toward the center and act more presidential, then his picks have been shocking. If you believe the narrative that Trump is a raging clown, and these are just more passengers for the clown car, then you're not surprised. Me? Not surprised, but doesn't change the bitterness of watching the development of a cabinet that is going to drive my country into the ####ter. Has Trump selected one person who has the experience and credentials to lead a single portfolio?

I supposed he is who I though he was...why would he moderate towards the center when the right wing nut jobs are the ones who gave him the power in the first place.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by New Era

As predicted? I guess it depends on which narrative you were believing. If you believed the narrative that Trump was going to moderate toward the center and act more presidential, then his picks have been shocking. If you believe the narrative that Trump is a raging clown, and these are just more passengers for the clown car, then you're not surprised. Me? Not surprised, but doesn't change the bitterness of watching the development of a cabinet that is going to drive my country into the ####ter. Has Trump selected one person who has the experience and credentials to lead a single portfolio?

Elaine Chao? She was Secretary of Labor during the Dubya years.

[zamler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHzfGsUvKUc&t=553

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Why are we talking about Canadian legislation as it relates to why American groups wanted Trump to win? As far as deflections go...

Are you denying that the ideas of pro-privacy have had more sway with the left wing in both Canadian and American politics?

I agree that Wikileaks had many pro-trump supporters supporting Assange, but that wasn't because they were pro-Wikileaks, that was because they were pro-Trump. If the roles were reversed and those were leaked RNC documents, I doubt you'd be using the same statement to admonish Hillary supporters.

Did Trump promise to pardon Snowden or Assange? Or am I missing something here.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Joe Biden addresses Canada...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ick=sf_globefb

The opportunities are immense, immense, from the cure of cancer to, by the time your children are able to go to the airport on their own, they're going to be flying subsonically at 22,000 miles an hour.

Well, Joe, that would be quite an accomplishment, given that 22,000 miles an hour is almost thirty times the speed of sound. Not sure you know what "subsonically" means...

Also, seems a tad unlikely that commercial passenger jets are going to be flying at ten times the current air speed record in our lifetimes, but hey, dare to dream, I guess.

[jammies]

He must have meant sub-orbitally. Or actually said that, and an editor "fixed" it.

[zamler]

10 times faster than the SR-71? Good luck with that.

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by zamler

10 times faster than the SR-71? Good luck with that.

Sub-orbital point to point travel will ikely occur within decades, making the referenced speeds very possible. Inside the atmosphere, not happening.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Giuliani is out for secretary of state. Conflicting reports about whether he was fired, or withdrew because he was going to be fired.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flacker

Sub-orbital point to point travel will ikely occur within decades, making the referenced speeds very possible. Inside the atmosphere, not happening.

Exactly. Sub-orbital is where the future of travel is. Probably here in the next two decades I hope I live to see it!

[MissTeeks]

[Senator Clay Davis]

He's laughing at them and they are taking it. Just like Trump is the king of projecting, his cult likewise projects quite a bit. They are indeed the ultimate ####s.

[GirlySports]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-...und-1481242385

I find this to be a legitimately interesting idea, though it's not so much a new idea as a policy goal. The federal government is already very much spread out in some areas (courts, prisons, military bases), but it could be radically much more decentralized in a way that would not just save money but also do some legit good for some places.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-...und-1481242385

I find this to be a legitimately interesting idea, though it's not so much a new idea as a policy goal. The federal government is already very much spread out in some areas (courts, prisons, military bases), but it could be radically much more decentralized in a way that would not just save money but also do some legit good for some places.

Do you have more details to this? The article is behind the WSJ paywall. I'm going to assume the article is focusing on the concept of moving the offices of Federal agencies out of Washington and to other cities around the country, thinking it will reduce costs and lessen bureaucracy? Interesting idea, just not sure how it would change anything. The problem isn't location, its States not recognizing federal management of resources, and then federation being poorly implemented. Americans don't trust government because it doesn't work. It doesn't work because they don't understand how federated services are supposed to work. They can play three card monty and move stuff around, but the base problem still exists.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

So now the CIA has clearly said that Russia was involved in the election process and Obama has ordered an investigation. They are not saying that the investigation is about changing the election outcome (yet).

If they were to find a smoking gun piece of evidence like communication between a Trump-controlled server, a Russian Bank and the Russian Government. What then?

Can you even imagine what the narrative would be if Hillary was in this situation? The double-standard is depressing.

And if, somehow, Trump shuts this investigation down or escapes scott free...you can bet that he will be around much longer than 4 years as he will only get more entrenched.

[Lanny_McDonald]

And the hits keep on coming.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...rity_plan.html

This ancient piece or crap, who has been part of the Washington elites since 1991 (25 years!), is suggesting major changes and clawbacks to Social Security. Sure, he got his. His kids will get theirs, but he's sticking it to anyone under the current age of 55. This is exactly why the American people refuse to trust their government, even though they are responsible for the #### show taking place. You think government is bad? So stop sending this ####### back to congress every election!!!

The most annoying things about these proposed plans is they don't look at how to increase revenues to the system, they only look at reducing payouts. How about changing the contribution levels? How about just removing the maximum contribution and making rich people pay their fare share. It is appalling that the guy making $1M a year pays the same contribution as the guy making $118K. The guy making $100M pays the same as the guy making $118K. Or then about trying to get more skilled people into the workforce. The higher the wages the greater the contributions. Do these things instead of cutting benefits. Most people in the US live paycheck-to-paycheck and need every cent of Social Security. This is criminal what is being proposed.

[Drak]

The latest candidate for SoS is the CEO of Exxon Mobil

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN13Z01E

In 2011, Exxon Mobil signed a deal with Rosneft, Russia's largest state-owned oil company, for joint oil exploration and production. Since then, the companies have formed 10 joint ventures for projects in Russia.

In 2013, Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded Tillerson his nation's Order of Friendship.

But U.S. sanctions against Russia for its incursion into Crimea cost Exxon Mobil dearly, forcing it to scrap some projects and costing it at least $1 billion in losses. Tillerson has been a vocal critic of the sanctions.

More Russian ties and a huge conflict of interest to boot.

[zamler]

Amazing how things have changed

President Barack Obama on Tuesday cast Donald Trump's claims of a rigged election as potentially corrosive to American democracy, insisting that the Republican presidential nominee was griping about an invented conspiracy. "You start whining before the game's even over?" Obama said during a news conference in the White House Rose Garden, adding that Trump's claim is "not based on facts."

"One way of weakening America and making it less great is if you start betraying those basic American traditions that have been bipartisan and have helped to hold together this Democracy now for well over two centuries," Obama said. He derided Trump's remarks as reflective of an unpresidential attitude, declaring again that the Republican nominee's temperament was disqualifying.

Why Trump's talk of a rigged vote is so dangerous

[Lanny_McDonald]

zamler, you are aware of the massive difference between Trump's claims of "voter fraud" resulting in a rigged election, and a foreign power using cyber attacks in changing the outcome of an election? Trump made those claims with zero evidence to support the claim. There is abundant evidence that a foreign government was meddling in the election process and broke laws in doing so. Massive difference!