Brad Treliving needs to go

[Jiri Hrdina]

Interesting poll questions would be.

Who do you want to be the GM of the Flames?
Dean Lombardi or BT (Lombardi wins for sure)
Craig Conroy or BT
Don Maloney or BT
Jeff Gorton or BT

To what degree do people just want BT gone regardless of who replaces him.

My answers would be as follows
BT>Conroy
BT>Maloney
Lombardi>BT
Gorton>BT

[DeluxeMoustache]

Have we forgotten about the New York guys?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yes. Yes we have. Or at least I did.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yes. Yes we have. Or at least I did.

How about an alternate universe where the Flames hire Mike Gillis and the Canucks Treliving?

Lawrence Gilman & Mike Futa’s name get brought up regularly on vacant GM positions.

[DeluxeMoustache]

We’d have the same answers, with the caveat that if Davidson was POHO, I’d consider Conroy

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Interesting poll questions would be.

Who do you want to be the GM of the Flames?
Dean Lombardi or BT (Lombardi wins for sure)
Craig Conroy or BT
Don Maloney or BT
Jeff Gorton or BT

To what degree do people just want BT gone regardless of who replaces him.

My answers would be as follows
BT>Conroy
BT>Maloney
Lombardi>BT
Gorton>BT

I would agree with your rankings of those 4, internal options are a no go for me, they have been around forever and would not represent the requisite change. The Flames would not hire him but I would be interested in Eric Tulsky as GM and John Davidson as POHO.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

We’d have the same answers, with the caveat that if Davidson was POHO, I’d consider Conroy

Davidson is more of an overall president type than POHO isn't he?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How about an alternate universe where the Flames hire Mike Gillis and the Canucks Treliving?

Lawrence Gilman & Mike Futa’s name get brought up regularly on vacant GM positions.

You've also got Mark Hunter perhaps. Though I think I heard something about him not wanting to leave Ontario?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

BT was also an assistant GM from an underachieving organization.
If we are going to replace him - why would we do the same thing again?
I mean everyone has blasted this team for not hiring experienced coaches but we are prepared to had the keys to an inexperienced GM, who at minimum has been a part of decisions that has led to where the team is now?

I just don't get the logic of that.

This is where I am at too. Lets just say when we hired Treliving he came in as an assistant GM for Pittsburgh or Tampa, his approach to building the Flames would likely have been completely different. Winning organizations have a proven track record and do things a certain way; It is not just putting pieces of a puzzle together, but establishing a winning culture from the ground up with tried and tested strategies. These things you don't get from an under achieving organization. Not saying they can't be done but hiring someone who is a product of inexperience, or underachieving environment is mot always the best recipe. Really hoping they make the right decision so that we can actually move forward.

[dammage79]

Its sucks but if you fire tree, you have to clean house. I mean except snowy. Thatd be the biggest D move ever.

But yeah Pascall, Conroy, Tree, all the way down to sigalet. May as well pack in the tenured pro scouts too.

[cannon7]

I see two scenarios playing out. They depend on what kind of GM the owners hire.

If they can find a proven GM like Lombardi, then I think they hire him and let him retool the roster for the next 1-2 seasons, but with the plan being if things don't pan out he can rebuild as he sees fit.

If no experienced GM wants to clean up Treliving's mess, then I think they go all in on a rebuild now with an up-and-coming GM candidate. If this happens, Sutter and the owners may mutually agree to part ways so that Sutter can move on to a contender.

I think the owners prefer the first option. But I don't think even Lombardi can fix this roster in a season or two.

[atb]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If Treliving is let go (which is unlikely), don’t expect big player moves this offseason. When’s the last time a new GM was hired and immediately made multiple big trades in his first few months on the job?

Treliving gone + changes to the core is not on the menu.

This is my biggest worry. While I would like to the organization move on from BT, it's hard to imagine a new GM coming and be willing to make significant roster changes without taking a year to evaluate.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

This is where I am at too. Lets just say when we hired Treliving he came in as an assistant GM for Pittsburgh or Tampa, his approach to building the Flames would likely have been completely different. Winning organizations have a proven track record and do things a certain way; It is not just putting pieces of a puzzle together, but establishing a winning culture from the ground up with tried and tested strategies. These things you don't get from an under achieving organization. Not saying they can't be done but hiring someone who is a product of inexperience, or underachieving environment is mot always the best recipe. Really hoping they make the right decision so that we can actually move forward.

I don’t think it’s that simple.

Jim Benning was the AGM of the cup winning Boston Bruins for example. Jason Botterill was AGM for Pittsburgh’s back to back cups. I’m reasonably sure you could also find a GM or two who have come from less successful organizations and gone on to have success elsewhere.

[FurnaceFace]

I hate this, but I agree with Eric Francis. This morning he said he doesn’t expect Tre to go because the team is relatively cheap when it comes to GMs and can’t see them paying for two. Also he said if he does go, the team has a history of rookie GMs which could be a careful what you wish for situation.

Bringing in JD to an executive role as POHO is something I could get behind. I’m not sure how much influence Maloney has or if the VPOHO role he as is viewed as oversight. I think a Burke like role would be good and JD would make sense. He could evaluate next year and then make changes if he saw fit. Having someone in that role would be good to ensure some continuity under the assumption Tre and Darrryl are both out in a couple years. JD could help with mentoring Conroy.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t think it’s that simple.

Jim Benning was the AGM of the cup winning Boston Bruins for example. Jason Botterill was AGM for Pittsburgh’s back to back cups. I’m reasonably sure you could also find a GM or two who have come from less successful organizations and gone on to have success elsewhere.

Agreed, it is not that simple. Experience and success can be an important requirement, but that is not always the case. I am okay with the idea of Treliving in the short term if an upgrade is not available. Was typing on the phone while shopping and had left that last tidbit out.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I disagree with the notion that Conroy (or Pascal even) would be more of the same, or that they aren't ready. I have absolutely no idea what their input have been over the years (other than Conroy stating that Bennett needs more rope at centre, and he has said this many times over the years, including after the trade).



Maybe they aren't ready. Maybe Conroy (or Pascal) would be the next Riseboroughs. Certainly possible. However, maybe they are the next Yzerman or Sakic?



For all we know, Conroy and Pascal support Treliving by following his direction. Perhaps they have their own thoughts, have brought them up in the past, but Treliving has moved in the direction that he thought was the right one to move towards? I have no clue. Pure speculation, which is why I would not want to be so definitive one way or another with my opinion around Conroy being 'just like Treliving'.



As for Lombardi, I would be fine with him, but there is one thing that does scare me - his contract extensions. However, those decade-long deals are a thing of the past, and have been replaced with length and variable cap maxes. Also, I am sure he has probably learned a thing or two as well.


There are a number of interesting options out there, like Futa. I wouldn't worry about losing Treliving for fear of getting someone worse. If Treliving is no longer the right fit, then he isn't and you just have to move on rather than drag it out a while longer. I do find it interesting that Treliving has been quiet, but there isn't much to say other than 'we failed'. I don't think the fans necessarily need to hear that, and him saying anything else wouldn't be embraced either. It is a bit telling for me, but also kind of expected. I don't know if Treliving is canned or not. I think the organization probably takes their time to make a proper assessment, and get everyone on the same page with whatever they decide first.

[Manhattanboy]

Said this in the other thread, am so annoyed, the Flames could have been watching these amazing playoff games tonight, and been absolutely jacked for their final two against VAN to punch their ticket to the party.

I want the entire front office fired the moment the horn goes on Wednesday.

[btimbit]

Rick Dhaliwal apparently suggested on tv that Mike Futa has been linked to the Flames.

Had a lot of good drafts in LA

[DeluxeMoustache]

Wonderful. I welcome any smoke related to Treliving

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Rick Dhaliwal apparently suggested on tv that Mike Futa has been linked to the Flames.

Had a lot of good drafts in LA

Futa is the cheap Lombardi so sounds right