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strombad · 04-11-2014, 12:43 PM

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Do you think/like the idea of a Poirier or klimchuk, #5 and #35 would/should happen. In exchange for first overall (ekblad)?

Absolutely not.
IMO you are giving up a LOT more talent in those two picks and Poirier/Klimchuk than you're getting with 1st overall this year.

SuperMatt18 · 04-11-2014, 12:45 PM

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Then again do the islanders even take that trade? It's not like they are overflowing with defensive talent either.

Depends what they think Reinhart's upside is.

They have Hamonic, De Haan, Hickey, & Matt Donovan as decent d-men already on the roster under 25.

Pulock was a first rounder last year, Pokka is a highly ranked 2nd rounder from 2012, Pelech is still developing.

If they feel they can help the team up front and have a decent young group of d-men then they make the move.

A little off topic but am I the only one not that impressed with Reinhart, he is good player but is he top 5 pick good. Strong defensively but IMO got walked around by the top offensive prospects at both WJCs, and the memorial cup last year. He doesn't seem to drive much offensively on a good junior team (5th in d-men scoring for the Oil Kings). I think he hasn't developed as much as you'd like a 4th overall to develop, and if you can get another top 5 pick I might do it.

Tbull8 · 04-11-2014, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by snipetype

Do you think/like the idea of a Poirier or klimchuk, #5 and #35 would/should happen. In exchange for first overall (ekblad)?

I really don't think thats worth it. Poirier's shown great progression and the potential to be a top 6 guy. Klimchuk has a lot of potential too and is a versatile player.

Yoho · 04-11-2014, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by snipetype

Do you think/like the idea of a Poirier or klimchuk, #5 and #35 would/should happen. In exchange for first overall (ekblad)?

I'd probably do it for the Klimchuk scenario.

868904 · 04-11-2014, 12:50 PM

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Do you think/like the idea of a Poirier or klimchuk, #5 and #35 would/should happen. In exchange for first overall (ekblad)?

Assuming we get Gaudreau signed, i'd move Sven instead of Poirier/Klimchuk in a package for the 1st overall.

Only because we have a good supply of smaller skilled wingers types (Gaudreau, Sven, Granlund, Byron) and guys like Poirier/Klimchuk are more versatile and can play throughout the lineup.

RyZ · 04-11-2014, 12:59 PM

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Assuming we get Gaudreau signed, i'd move Sven instead of Poirier/Klimchuk in a package for the 1st overall.

Only because we have a good supply of smaller skilled wingers types (Gaudreau, Sven, Granlund, Byron) and guys like Poirier/Klimchuk are more versatile and can play throughout the lineup.

You would have to get something else back with that though. IMO the difference in upside between Sven and Klimchuck (and even Poirier) is fairly substantial. A 21 (20) yr old guy with 60+ point upside isn't just a throw in to sweeten the pot in a deal.

snipetype · 04-11-2014, 01:01 PM

So then you are saying that Poirier or klimchuks value is greater then svens? That is insane. Sven has proven more at the junior level than both Emile and Morgan. Not to mention he is tearing up minor pro right now. He has all the tools to be an elite scoring forward. He had a blip in his development but that's because he was handed a roster spot on a golden platter. Next camp I am confident Sven will come back in amazing shape and finally shut up the doubters on CP once and for all. The guy was the most dominant player in the CHL the year after the draft and your valuing Poirier and klimchuk more. I like klimchuk and Poirier but they are still a lot more to prove to be regular top six forwards. Sven has shown he can score at the nhl level and once he rounds his game out and finds some consistency he has top line potential.

snipetype · 04-11-2014, 01:03 PM

And Paul Byron could play in the bottom six no problem. The guy is grittier then anyone else on the team.

FakenHaken · 04-11-2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RyZ

You would have to get something else back with that though. IMO the difference in upside between Sven and Klimchuck (and even Poirier) is fairly substantial. A 21 (20) yr old guy with 60+ point upside isn't just a throw in to sweeten the pot in a deal.

In 868's defense a 1st overall isn't just any deal though either. You can't expect to throw in Westgarth and expect to get the 1st overall.

On a side note I would absolutely love Jankowski to be used instead of Sven but that isn't getting us the first overall either.

djsFlames · 04-11-2014, 01:14 PM

Klimchuk, Colorado's 2nd and our 1st and I'd probably do it. Considering our depth at LW.. Our 2nd is going to be early and could also be a quality player, so I'd feel better giving up Colorado's.

However I doubt Buffalo would bite. They'd probably prefer Poirier or Sven is the player coming back, but I wouldn't consider giving up either of them.

I think Burke should stick to trying to deal one of our seconds to move up 1-2 spots and take Bennett or ensure that we can draft Dal Colle.

RyZ · 04-11-2014, 01:15 PM

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So then you are saying that Poirier or klimchuks value is greater then svens? That is insane. Sven has proven more at the junior level than both Emile and Morgan. Not to mention he is tearing up minor pro right now. He has all the tools to be an elite scoring forward. He had a blip in his development but that's because he was handed a roster spot on a golden platter. Next camp I am confident Sven will come back in amazing shape and finally shut up the doubters on CP once and for all. The guy was the most dominant player in the CHL the year after the draft and your valuing Poirier and klimchuk more. I like klimchuk and Poirier but they are still a lot more to prove to be regular top six forwards. Sven has shown he can score at the nhl level and once he rounds his game out and finds some consistency he has top line potential.

Who are you talking to?

ForeverFlameFan · 04-11-2014, 01:24 PM

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Then again do the islanders even take that trade? It's not like they are overflowing with defensive talent either.

Actually they are. They have a surplus of upcoming defenseman, and trading G. Reinhart won't really hurt them that much. You're right about them not having defensive talent, but they certainly will in a couple of years when their new D has more NHL experience.

The Vanek trade hurt them, and giving up Reinhart to gain their draft positioning back might be worth it.

Rhettzky · 04-11-2014, 01:26 PM

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Who are you talking to?

The collective CP hive mind.

ForeverFlameFan · 04-11-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by snipetype

Do you think/like the idea of a Poirier or klimchuk, #5 and #35 would/should happen. In exchange for first overall (ekblad)?

There is no way you trade Poirier or Klimchuk.

I don't think trading Baertschi, Gaudreau, Poirier, or Klimchuk will benefit the Flames one bit. If anything, I would rather give up draft picks.

Gaskal · 04-11-2014, 01:30 PM

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Klimchuk, Colorado's 2nd and our 1st and I'd probably do it.

My god you just ninjaed my mind, I was about to type exactly that offer

Fighting Banana Slug · 04-11-2014, 02:16 PM

I didn't care for the idea of swapping all of our first rounders last year for #1, as the Flames have too many holes and not enough organizational depth to make that kind of move(and I really liked Mackinnon). The proposed deal is similar and I would oppose it for similar reasons. Giving up too much for a player that is unlikely to be a generational talent. As decent as the progress has been, we still have a long way to go. I don't think one guy in this draft is going to do it.

ForeverFlameFan · 04-11-2014, 02:24 PM

I think Dal Colle will suffice for our pick this year. Glencross should be gone by next year (hopefully keeps racking up the points, making his trade value very good), Gaudreau and Sven will be coming up. Our LW depth is legit with the mentioning of Poirier and Klimchuk. Poirier and Sven can also switch to the RW as well.

I would only trade draft picks if you're planning to move up, but if we have a deep draft next year, I'd rather keep our #5 pick and just hope we get at least another gem or two in the 2nd's and 3rd's.

Rick M. · 04-11-2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by snipetype

So then you are saying that Poirier or klimchuks value is greater then svens? That is insane. Sven has proven more at the junior level than both Emile and Morgan. Not to mention he is tearing up minor pro right now. He has all the tools to be an elite scoring forward. He had a blip in his development but that's because he was handed a roster spot on a golden platter. Next camp I am confident Sven will come back in amazing shape and finally shut up the doubters on CP once and for all. The guy was the most dominant player in the CHL the year after the draft and your valuing Poirier and klimchuk more. I like klimchuk and Poirier but they are still a lot more to prove to be regular top six forwards. Sven has shown he can score at the nhl level and once he rounds his game out and finds some consistency he has top line potential.

THIS! Sven will earn his spot on the Flames in the fall.

JJ1532 · 04-11-2014, 02:45 PM

I wonder how many organisations will be scrapping with the 30th placed team for the right to have the #1 overall pick in the next draft? Going to be quite funny. Now, I know it's all hypothetical, but what would we shift to sign McDavid? Or would we just let him get drafted by someone else?

ForeverFlameFan · 04-11-2014, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by snipetype

So then you are saying that Poirier or klimchuks value is greater then svens? That is insane. Sven has proven more at the junior level than both Emile and Morgan. Not to mention he is tearing up minor pro right now. He has all the tools to be an elite scoring forward. He had a blip in his development but that's because he was handed a roster spot on a golden platter. Next camp I am confident Sven will come back in amazing shape and finally shut up the doubters on CP once and for all. The guy was the most dominant player in the CHL the year after the draft and your valuing Poirier and klimchuk more. I like klimchuk and Poirier but they are still a lot more to prove to be regular top six forwards. Sven has shown he can score at the nhl level and once he rounds his game out and finds some consistency he has top line potential.

Giving a shout out to snipetype, he is off of his "meat and potatoes" defenseman Haydn Fleury and actually proved a good point about not trading Sven!