Edmonton is No Good VI: Chia•den•freu•de

[cam_wmh]

Lol, so I browsed HF-Oilers, and those poor plebs are discussing who they'd keep next year. The consensus reply is McDavid, Draisatl, and then many with RNH as a final and 3rd pick. OF THEIR ENTIRE ROSTER.

HAHAHAHHA.


Amazing.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Lol, so I browsed HF-Oilers, and those poor plebs are discussing who they'd keep next year. The consensus reply is McDavid, Draisatl, and then many with RNH as a final and 3rd pick. OF THEIR ENTIRE ROSTER.

HAHAHAHHA.


Amazing.

They’re not really wrong...

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[dash_pinched]

What happened to half the teams in the league would trade their roster for the Oilers?!?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

What happened to half the teams in the league would trade their roster for the Oilers?!?

That was before Chia put his magic touch on the team. It has probably gotten worse each and every year he has been in Edmonton.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Robbob

That was before Chia put his magic touch on the team. It has probably gotten worse each and every year he has been in Edmonton.

God bless that man

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Isbrant

Edmonton has 6 regulation wins in 24 games so far this season. Fewest in the Pacific division

Not surprised. Their only shot at winning is to try and push it to OT so McDoofus can have more ice to do his "wind up in the neutral zone and fly down the wing" thing.

Talbot has been garbage lately, so this really is their only strategy at the moment. I honestly don't blame them, because sometimes it actually works.

[wretched34]

So, I tuned into the Oil/Stars game last night with a few minutes left in the third, and noticed a stat that was aired heading into OT, about McDavid and Draisaitl being the best OT duo in the league since 2016, and it got me to thinking, First, why would you brag about only have 2 guys that can score it OT, and Secondly, just how bad is it.
So, I compared the Flames vs the Oilers OT points since Jan 1, 2016.

The Flames have 19 OTW since then.
Monahan has 5 goals and 3 assists = 8 Points
Gaudreau has 3 goals and 7 assists = 10 points
Gio has 3 goals and 6 assists = 9 Points
Backlund has 3 goals and 4 assists = 7 Points
Frolik has 2 goals and 3 assists = 5 Points
Brodie has 1 goal and 5 assists. = 6 Points

That's 4 forwards, and 2 D with 5 or more points each in 19 OT wins.
Hamilton had 2 goals, and Tkachuk 1 assist in there as well.

On the Oilers side, they have 21 OTW in that same time:
McDavid has 5 goals and 9 assists = 14 Points
Draisaitl has 6 goals and 8 assists = 14 points
Klefbom has 2 goals and 4 assists = 6 points
Sekera has 1 goal and 3 assists = 4 points
Nuge has 2 goals and 2 assists = 4 points
Letestu had 2 goals = 2 points
Nurse has 2 goals = 2 points
Eberle had 2 assists = 2 points
Desharnais had a goal, and Cagguila, Benning and Russell have 1 assist each.

So, while Johnny leads the flames with points on 52% of the Flames OT goals, McDavid and Draisaitl both have a hand in 67% of Oiler OT points, and the only other player with 5 or more points is Klefbom (who is routinely the 3rd man on the ice with McDavid and Draisaitl).

It really does go to show the absolute lack of depth up there, but it always makes me laugh how the media spins it to "Look how amazing McDavid and Draisaitl are", rather than "This is our only chance to win".
E=NG

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

What happened to half the teams in the league would trade their roster for the Oilers?!?

I'm not even sure that statement works if the league is the AHL

[Reggie Dunlop]

TSN's Frank Seravalli absolutely slices, dices and serves up roast Peter Chiarelli.

https://hockeypdocast.com/2018/11/27...-if-you-tried/

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

TSN's Frank Seravalli absolutely slices, dices and serves up roast Peter Chiarelli.

https://hockeypdocast.com/2018/11/27...-if-you-tried/

can't open in on my work comp. what's the summary besides E=NG?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

What happened to half the teams in the league would trade their roster for the Oilers?!?

I thought they had 6 Giordano's

[McG]

To further the delicious conspiracy theories, I got sent a picture showing the puck over the line for an Oilers goal that the league failed to award to the oilers v Dallas. The outcry despite winning...

I read on 31 thoughts that McLellan didn’t go quietly; anyone hear anything about this?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by McG

I read on 31 thoughts that McLellan didn’t go quietly; anyone hear anything about this?

Probably not. He was probably cheering extremely loud and making obnoxious noises while fist pumping and clapping all the way to his old San Jose pad.

[AC]

Originally Posted by McG

I read on 31 thoughts that McLellan didn’t go quietly; anyone hear anything about this?

He took a #### on Chiarelli's desk.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by AC

He took a #### on Chiarelli's desk.

Many people think so, but that is an error. Chiarelli's desk always smells like that.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I thought they had 6 Giordano's

They did...Justin Schultz was actually nominated and voted top 10 for Norris consideration in 2017, validating McTavish. The Oilers traded future Norris candidate Schultz for a 3rd round pick.

They also had Jeff Petry who is the backbone of his team and a solid top 2. The Oilers traded him for a 2nd and 5th round pick. That 2nd round pick was used into get phenom backup Talbot, while the Oilers own 2nd round pick was used along with a 1st to pickup Norris future Griffin Reinhart

I think they still count Klefbom as a Giordano

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

can't open in on my work comp. what's the summary besides E=NG?

Basically they feel that Chiarelli made the coaching change in order to hopefully squeak into the playoffs and buy himself more time, but that Chiarelli is the main problem.

They talk about trading Hall and Eberle, and now the team has no depth. Chia took over the team after leaving Boston in cap hell and knowing he was getting McDavid, and managed to make the Oilers worse despite having the best player in hockey. They say it is a disservice to hockey fans to have McDavid with that franchise. They state that the Oilers are the best team in the league when McDavid is on the ice, but the worst team in the league when he isn't.

I do agree that it is tragic that some of the best prospects in recent years have been ruined by the Oilers. Not that McDavid isn't doing fine, but he could be doing much better somewhere else. So much marketability is going down the drain as he languishes in Edmonton.

[Dion]

We all enjoy the good laughs we get from HF Oilers and some of their insane posts. However there is a poster named GreatKeith that seems to have a level head when it comes to the Oilers and especially when it comes to why the franchise is what it is. As a lurker of the site I enjoy reading some of his viewpoints and feel his latest is posting is spot on.

The biggest problem with this franchise is they're chasing ideals that simply don't gel with today's NHL and always overshooting what they actually need. It's clear Chiarelli wanted to build a team to compete in the West which years ago was a big, bruising conference. Players like Lucic, Kassian, et al would've fit the mold a few years ago, but the game of hockey has gone back to speed and skill. Kassian at least has some wheels but Lucic still can't score to save his life and often the hope is that he simply doesn't get scored on.

Realizing the direction the NHL is going in, they draft a small winger ala Johnny Gaudreau and hope he can make an immediate impact, which he did not. These kinds of players take years to bulk up and adjust to the NHL level. I don't have any issue with the Oilers drafting this player, but it represents a sudden swerve in the opposite direction. Overcorrecting as it were.

The fatal mistake the Oilers make year after year is thrusting unproven players into spots they're not ready to take. They just assumed that JP would make an immediate impact, and KY and Bouchard. They also assumed that Benning could play top 4 minutes (again) before it blew up in their faces. McLellan for all his faults forced Chiarelli to send Bouchard down and be patient with this player. There is a distinct air of cowardice in the front office when they continue to trot out rookies and tweeners in roles they simply cannot handle and then move the players when they don't pan out. Strome is a prime example of this. I didn't like the guy but he was at least pretty decent defensively but rather than be patient with him (or admit the trade in the first place was a mistake), they send him away and bring in a worse player.

The fact that we have 3 really good centers and are forced to play at least 1 on the wing at all times is really stupid. I understand why it's done but it really highlights the lack of depth on this team. This is a mediocre (at best) cap strapped team with depth at a single position and holes basically everywhere else in the lineup. The Oilers have failed to build around a player that any team (save maybe Pittsburgh) would give both of their nuts for. McDavid is good, scary good... And he excels in spite of the team around him. He should be given a medal or made a knight or something.

If the Oilers have a vision I'm honestly not sure what it is. They've painted themselves into a corner and I really wouldn't go ahead with most of the front office even if they do make the playoffs. There's been too many mistakes and too many bad habits both on and off the ice that just haven't changed. The Oilers need to stop being lazy and doing the easy thing and make some hard decisions and show their fans they're serious about winning, because I'm not convinced at all that they are.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Basically they feel that Chiarelli made the coaching change in order to hopefully squeak into the playoffs and buy himself more time, but that Chiarelli is the main problem.

They talk about trading Hall and Eberle, and now the team has no depth. Chia took over the team after leaving Boston in cap hell and knowing he was getting McDavid, and managed to make the Oilers worse despite having the best player in hockey. They say it is a disservice to hockey fans to have McDavid with that franchise. They state that the Oilers are the best team in the league when McDavid is on the ice, but the worst team in the league when he isn't.

I do agree that it is tragic that some of the best prospects in recent years have been ruined by the Oilers. Not that McDavid isn't doing fine, but he could be doing much better somewhere else. So much marketability is going down the drain as he languishes in Edmonton.

My favorite line was that even if you tried it would be hard to fail as much as the Oilers have failed.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I went and read some of the garbage over at HF and I just have to say GreatKeith is not level headed or a voice of reason. The guy has just given up. He's been a huge Flames hater based on his posting history and doesn't get the game. The only reason he speaks so highly of the Flames is because he knows it will get under the skin of his fellow grease fans and sway them to his thinking.