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[Dion]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

How partisan polarization drives the spread of fake news

We observed a marked lopsidedness in the political slant of the shared fake news articles: A majority came from pro-Republican outlets and were shared by people who identified as Republicans. By contrast, about 60% of the mainstream news articles originated from pro-Democratic outlets (i.e., the “Strong Democratic” and “Lean Democratic” columns) and were predominantly shared by Democratic identifiers. These findings suggest that exposure to fake news on social media depends heavily on the political leanings of one’s network of friends and followers. For users connected mostly to Democrats, a tiny fraction of their daily news diet appears to come from fake news sources. By contrast, among users mostly following pro-Republican accounts the fake-to-mainstream news ratio is substantially higher on average.

Still, one important question lingers: Why were Republicans more eager than Democrats to share fake news? One possibility is that Republicans simply care less about editorial standards of fair and objective reporting. As fake news is not constrained by reality or editorial standards, such material can be excessive in their negative portrayal of political opponents, a feature that will likely attract partisans who demand partisan news and do not place much weight on objectivity anyway.

https://www.brookings.edu/techstream...-of-fake-news/

[Fuzz]

Dude, I was making a joke. The expression is "kowtowing". You said "Cow towing" so I posted a pic of a cow towing.

[CliffFletcher]

Torquing the bejeesus out of the news to fit partisan narratives is hardly confined to the right. Andrew Sullivan catalogues just some of the deliberate distortions recently carried out by the MSM.

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/...tives-collapse

To get an accurate picture of what’s actually happening in the world today you need to gather pieces from multiples sources and try to fit them together, like assembling shards of a broken mirror. No media outlets even try to present a broad, contextualized take on contentious issues anymore.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Why do people assume that those who support different politics than they do have been misled or tricked? The truth is that people have different values. And a great many Americans have a powerful dislike of paying taxes. That’s why the native-born population of California is declining while Texas and Florida enjoy booming net migration. Not because Tucker Carlson or Brietbart are poisoning their minds.

Anyone who is moving because of taxes is likely wildly weathly and not a big enough number to care about.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Torquing the bejeesus out of the news to fit partisan narratives is hardly confined to the right. Andrew Sullivan catalogues just some of the deliberate distortions recently carried out by the MSM.

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/...tives-collapse

To get an accurate picture of what’s actually happening in the world today you need to gather pieces from multiples sources and try to fit them together, like assembling shards of a broken mirror. No media outlets even try to present a broad, contextualized take on contentious issues anymore.

Context is the scarce resource.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Torquing the bejeesus out of the news to fit partisan narratives is hardly confined to the right. Andrew Sullivan catalogues just some of the deliberate distortions recently carried out by the MSM.

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/...tives-collapse

To get an accurate picture of what’s actually happening in the world today you need to gather pieces from multiples sources and try to fit them together, like assembling shards of a broken mirror. No media outlets even try to present a broad, contextualized take on contentious issues anymore.

And yet you present an article from a guy who's developed msm media is bad beat as presenting a fair representation of the mainstream media.

I followed most of those stories and they developed and a more complete picture was presented by the mainstream media.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

In the US it's worse because conservatives tend to control local tv and national radio even outside of national. In Canada, the right controls local newspapers through post media, but thats a dying source.

You can tell an older person that gets their news and opinions from post media in Canada within the first minute of a conversation.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Context is the scarce resource.

Please. You run away from context 99.999% of the time. You are the king of twisting narratives and eliminating context. It's what trolls do.

[GirlySports]

Kinda of funny now that tabloidish shows like Inside Edition and Access Hollywood might be the most unbiased!

[afc wimbledon]

Mainstream news has always had bias, there have always been left and right wing papers or TV news, what has changed is that Rupert Murdoch decided some decades ago that reality was for suckers and it was the job of his papers and TV channels to pick Governments.

The irony of this is Murdoch is just so bad at picking them, he has given us a parade of shallow right wing incompetents in both the UK and US that have handed the world over to China because the right wing press no longer sees its job as to teach the voters to hold power to account,

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GGG

A dislike for paying taxes and voting in your best interest are not the same. I think most people to not evaluate which set of policies will be better for them when voting. It’s done emotionally.

Real Estate prices are the real driver of California migration.

The people started leaving California around April of 2020, right around the time remote working became a possibility. Yet blind partisans think that is the exact moment in time that people became concerned about taxes and fled the state. Before that moment people grinded their teeth over taxes but decided to stay and tough it out.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

It might go without saying, but don't discount the effect that the right wing media ecosystem in the US has on millions of people. It's effectively brainwashed a lot of people into simply believing Democrat = bad, no matter what. Pollsters test policy questions all the time, and find overwhelming support for a some of them- but it's because the party pushing the idea isn't mentioned.

If you think this only happens on one side of aisle you are part of the problem.

Originally Posted by Dion

I have no bias.

Yes you do everyone does.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Anyone who is moving because of taxes is likely wildly weathly and not a big enough number to care about.

I don't know what your threshold for wildly wealthy is, but I know at least a handful of people personally who have left California for a combination of income tax/property tax/housing costs. A two income family of tech workers making low 6 figures is pretty much broke in California and live like kings in our state (VA), and probably more so in the states mentioned. I'm not sure there is really anything negative about it either.

If someone moves their corporate headquarters or a factory along with the jobs and tax revenue that come with it, then that is likely something people might or should care about.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I don't know what your threshold for wildly wealthy is, but I know at least a handful of people personally who have left California for a combination of income tax/property tax/housing costs. A two income family of tech workers making low 6 figures is pretty much broke in California and live like kings in our state (VA), and probably more so in the states mentioned. I'm not sure there is really anything negative about it either.

If someone moves their corporate headquarters or a factory along with the jobs and tax revenue that come with it, then that is likely something people might or should care about.

I would bet housing costs have more to do with it than taxes unless they are wildly wealthy. Changes in income tax for the middle class would be minimal and you'd probably spend more in moving costs than you would save in income taxes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...xes-than-texas

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The people started leaving California around April of 2020, right around the time remote working became a possibility. Yet blind partisans think that is the exact moment in time that people became concerned about taxes and fled the state. Before that moment people grinded their teeth over taxes but decided to stay and tough it out.

lol, tech workers in the US have been working remotely at least 10-15 years and it was much pretty mainstream by about 2015 at the latest.

I've been a hiring manager for the last 10 years, and by 2015 we completely gave up on relocating people when looking for specific IT skills.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I would bet housing costs have more to do with it than taxes unless they are wildly wealthy. Changes in income tax for the middle class would be minimal and you'd probably spend more in moving costs than you would save in income taxes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...xes-than-texas

>138k family income seems like a pretty low threshold for wildly wealthy. Housing is a factor, but California housing gets pretty affordable once you go a few miles inland.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Kinda of funny now that tabloidish shows like Inside Edition and Access Hollywood might be the most unbiased!

There's bias and then there's the conspiracy theories about Covid, vaccines and election lies that right wing media like to spew

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Please. You run away from context 99.999% of the time. You are the king of twisting narratives and eliminating context. It's what trolls do.

If you challenge his views he doesn't address what you post.

[corporatejay]

Pretty handy chart from allsides.com. Note they seperate news from opinion

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Dion

There's bias and then there's the conspiracy theories about Covid, vaccines and election lies that right wing media like to spew

And the left media position of vaccinated people who get COVID can no longer spread it or voter ID laws are racist is less crazy?