2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Poe969]

If Monahan and Gaudrau are traded, they won't be in a package deal. That's 13 mil in cap space... There are teams looking for C depth and Monahan would be one of the best #2C in the league.

I remember hearing on the NHL network that someone thought the Rangers would trade the first overall for the right player because they're deep at most positions except C. Would you do Monahan for 1st OA?

I think it's crazy because NYR could just draft Byfield right now but he might not be ready for a couple years and Monahan improves the team a lot right now.

I see a team like NYR or Buffalo or maybe even Columbus making a move for a guy like Monahan where teams weak on the wings make a pitch for Johnny; NJ Buffalo, jump out.

Any chance Toronto made the moves to take Gio? Maybe they're gearing up for Pietroangelo

[Flash Walken]

Lol, no the value does not favour Philly.

They take on what, more than 3 million in cap hit, lose a couple of years of team control and give up the better players arguably?

The flyers currently have 9 million dollars next year to fill out 9 positions. They aren't taking on 3 extra million in cap space.

Replace Coutourier with JVR and maybe you have the start of a deal IMO.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Would you do Monahan for 1st OA?

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[ForeverFlameFan]

Yeah Philly is not getting completely screwed, but the deal definitely favors Calgary.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Lol, no the value does not favour Philly.

They take on what, more than 3 million in cap hit, lose a couple of years of team control and give up the better players arguably?

The flyers currently have 9 million dollars next year to fill out 9 positions. They aren't taking on 3 extra million in cap space.

Replace Coutourier with JVR and maybe you have the start of a deal IMO.

Yeah, the deal favours the Flames due to salary and control.

However, switching Couturier for JVR makes it laughably bad for the Flames.

[CliffFletcher]

Extremely unlikely the Flyers move Couturier or Konecny in a deal. Those are core young players hitting their prime, signed to great deals. The Flyers have no reason to blow up their team, and no clear replacements for either player.

I see the Kessel and Pacioretty deals as good models for what a Gaudreau deal will look like. Get rid of the B prospects and fringe players that muddy the waters, and both deals basically worked out to:

Star winger

for

Good young player/prospect (Kapanen, Suzuki)
Decent roster player (Spaling, Tatar)
2nd round or late 1st round pick


In a deal with the Flyers, that looks something like:

Farabee
Laughton
1st (25 OA)

The key piece in this example is Farabee. 1st round pedigree, scored everywhere he's played, can skate like the wind, and has some edge to his game. Forced his way onto the roster at 19, and already considered reliable enough to play on the top two lines. A Valimaki level prospect. He's making $925k for two more years, and does not need to be protected in the expansion.

Laughton is a useful depth center who can play up and down the lineup. Bit of scoring (his 27 pts in 49 games pro-rates to 38 in 70), bit of grit. Very well liked in the room and a leader. Still only 26 years old. Has one more year at a very digestible 2.3 mil.

The 1st helps the Flames replenish the cupboards.

And the Flames clear almost $4 mil in cap space.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Extremely unlikely the Flyers move Couturier or Konecny in a deal. Those are core young players hitting their prime, signed to great deals. The Flyers have no reason to blow up their team, and no clear replacements for either player.

I see the Kessel and Pacioretty deals as good models for what a Gaudreau deal will look like. Get rid of the B prospects and fringe players that muddy the waters, and both deals basically worked out to:

Star winger

for

Good young player/prospect (Kapanen, Suzuki)
Decent roster player (Spaling, Tatar)
2nd round or late 1st round pick


In a deal with the Flyers, that looks something like:

Farabee
Laughton
1st (25 OA)

The key piece in this example is Farabee. 1st round pedigree, scored everywhere he's played, can skate like the wind, and has some edge to his game. Forced his way onto the roster at 19, and already considered reliable enough to play on the top two lines. A Valimaki level prospect.

Laughton is a useful depth center who can play up and down the line. Bit of scoring (his 27 pts in 49 games pro-rates to 38 in 70), bit of grit. Very well liked in the room and a leader. Still only 26 years old. Has one more year at a very digestible 2.2 mil.

The 1st helps the Flames replenish the cupboards.

this is pretty much how I see the deal working out in essence, although with that first being in the bottom of the round I could see next years second being included without completely throwing the structure of the deal out.

I just think teams above that would and could field a similar offer with a higher first.

[Roof-Daddy]

Flyers cant take Gaudreau without clearing cap so that deal isn't plausible unless they move more money out than just Laughton.

[TheScorpion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298326702070915075

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flyers cant take Gaudreau without clearing cap so that deal isn't plausible unless they move more money out than just Laughton.

True. I suspect they'll try to move JvR to a team with lots of cap space, like the Devils.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298326702070915075

He started speaking in tongues!

[868904]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298326702070915075

Danault is a decent player, he’s gotten Selke votes for a few years now. Of course those votes probably all came from a Montreal.

[1qqaaz]

Danault sucks compared to Suzuki. What does he expect.
Just like how Fleury sucks compared to Lehner.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298326702070915075

I think Danault is gonna have to get used to it.


There's nowhere in the league he will be a 1c

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

True. I suspect they'll try to move JvR to a team with lots of cap space, like the Devils.

Yeah it will be absolutely no problem moving a 30+ year old player who makes $7M and is easily $3M overpaid. Even easier because it is a flat cap.


Devils won’t be taking cap dumps they will want to improve right away. JVR has 3 years term as well so he is entering Neal/Lucic level contract.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Extremely unlikely the Flyers move Couturier or Konecny in a deal. Those are core young players hitting their prime, signed to great deals. The Flyers have no reason to blow up their team, and no clear replacements for either player.

I see the Kessel and Pacioretty deals as good models for what a Gaudreau deal will look like. Get rid of the B prospects and fringe players that muddy the waters, and both deals basically worked out to:

Star winger

for

Good young player/prospect (Kapanen, Suzuki)
Decent roster player (Spaling, Tatar)
2nd round or late 1st round pick


In a deal with the Flyers, that looks something like:

Farabee
Laughton
1st (25 OA)

The key piece in this example is Farabee. 1st round pedigree, scored everywhere he's played, can skate like the wind, and has some edge to his game. Forced his way onto the roster at 19, and already considered reliable enough to play on the top two lines. A Valimaki level prospect. He's making $925k for two more years, and does not need to be protected in the expansion.

Laughton is a useful depth center who can play up and down the lineup. Bit of scoring (his 27 pts in 49 games pro-rates to 38 in 70), bit of grit. Very well liked in the room and a leader. Still only 26 years old. Has one more year at a very digestible 2.3 mil.

The 1st helps the Flames replenish the cupboards.

And the Flames clear almost $4 mil in cap space.

There is a lot to like in this deal. It’s worked out much better for Montreal then the Toronto deal. Tatar has been great and Suzuki has now emerged as a 1st or 2nd line centre.

[Classic_Sniper]

Tons and tons of trade proposals in this thread for Gaudreau.

As big of a fan I am of Gaudreau, with just 2 years left on his deal , I’m not against the idea of trading him for long term help. But the biggest questions I have and think everyone else should consider is,


1) The Flames barely made the playoffs this season, so with that in mind, without Gaudreau’s regular season scoring prowess, can the Flames score enough goals to actually get to the playoffs?

2) Who will quarterback the powerplay? The Flames have had a pretty good powerplay for years now and with Gaudreau being the primary PP quarterback and zone entry specialist, who would be his replacement?

3) If the Flames do move on from just Johnny Gaudreau, how does the ______-Monahan-Lindholm line differ from the top line we saw last season? How would this line find success in the playoffs that they otherwise haven’t displayed in the past series.

4) Without Gaudreau, how will Monahan’s game evolve without his long time linemate? I’ve always been skeptical of him without Gaudreau. So, how does he get his goals? Does he become grittier for his goals? Can he drive play and create his own goals?

[Roof-Daddy]

Monahan
Kylington
19th overall

for

Montour
Cozens
8th overall

Yay or nay?

Roll with Backlund, Bennett, Ryan, Cozens down the middle, maybe go after a free agent like Haula too.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Tons and tons of trade proposals in this thread for Gaudreau.

As big of a fan I am of Gaudreau, with just 2 years left on his deal , I’m not against the idea of trading him for long term help. But the biggest questions I have and think everyone else should consider is,


1) The Flames barely made the playoffs this season, so with that in mind, without Gaudreau’s regular season scoring prowess, can the Flames score enough goals to actually get to the playoffs?

2) Who will quarterback the powerplay? The Flames have had a pretty good powerplay for years now and with Gaudreau being the primary PP quarterback and zone entry specialist, who would be his replacement?

3) If the Flames do move on from just Johnny Gaudreau, how does the ______-Monahan-Lindholm line differ from the top line we saw last season? How would this line find success in the playoffs that they otherwise haven’t displayed in the past series.

4) IWithout Gaudreau, how will Monahan’s game evolve without his long time linemate?’ve always been skeptical of him without Gaudreau. So, how does he get his goals? Does he become grittier for his goals? Can he drive play and create his own goals?

I just don't get this line of thinking.
Monahan is a top six and will play with top six players. what if he had a winger that actually dug pucks out of the corner?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Monahan
Kylington
19th overall

for

Montour
Cozens
8th overall

Yay or nay?

Roll with Backlund, Bennett, Ryan, Cozens down the middle, maybe go after a free agent like Haula too.

I like that deal for Calgary.

I would consider flipping Johnny as well for 7th pick, Zacha and Ty Smith
Flames would free up space to sign Hall+Lehner and rebuild quickly with the 7th,8th picks and Cozens. Zacha also can fill a center spot for the departing Monahan.

Not sure if Hall would sign if both Monahan and Gaudreau are traded.