Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Azure

Must be hard for you and your pal Pepsi, who has a strange obsession with following me around on CP and cheerleads dumb posts like yours, to understand.

I see posts like this all the time and I don't get it. Do people really think other posters are following them around? CP isn't very big, I think it's just more likely that you happen to read the same threads.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I see posts like this all the time and I don't get it. Do people really think other posters are following them around? CP isn't very big, I think it's just more likely that you happen to read the same threads.

This obviously, but I’d hate to miss the chance to point out that Azure is actually the only poster who, while I took a couple months off of posting earlier this year and stuck to just reading, actually kept bringing me up and mocking me in threads I hadn’t posted in for weeks lol.

He’s a bit of a head case.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This is not an argument to convince anyone.

With your logic - I should be able to go Home Depot and buy up a bunch of bombs if I pass my background so I can take down the unwanted building in my backyard. If anyone uses one of these bombs to do something bad - well that's just a bad actor.

There are a ton of things you can't just walk down to the store and buy because they are dangerous to society. The government - with our support or non-support - decides what that line is - and if they go too far - we can vote them out. The decision has been made that banning alcohol went too far so it was removed.

Again, if you want to make a list of things that have no societal benefits, and ban them.....such as guns (apparently), then I will extend that list to alcohol.

Because at the end of the day, alcohol has killed more people, ruined more families and caused more societal harm than non-restricted firearms EVER will.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I see posts like this all the time and I don't get it. Do people really think other posters are following them around? CP isn't very big, I think it's just more likely that you happen to read the same threads.

Dude, you can literally go into every thread I participate in and find PepsiFree waiting till someone replies to one of my posts and he'll make some kind of witty, stupid & smug comment.

Of course, I long ago quit reading what he had to say, so these days every reply to my posts is then followed with a reply from him that I have on ignore.

Its hilarious.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by #-3

I think you missed my point, I was saying that everything Guns, Alcohol, Cars, Hockey Games... has benefits and harms.

I believe my assessment of the societal benefits of guns is lower than yours, and I think you are willfully glazing over the societal benefits of alcohol with the argument you are making.

I consider countering a prohibition black market is part of the benefit of legalization / regulation, and I believe that the prohibition effect for alcohol exerts a greater burden on society than the prohibition effect for guns when you compare 20s error USA to modern London or Australia you can clearly see the negative effects from alcohol restrictions and the positive effects from gun restrictions, maybe there's a breaking point where those effects change, but for now history tells me gun restrictions have worked well and recreational drug restrictions have not.

Are there any societal benefits to alcohol? I can’t really think of any. There’s personal benefits I guess, if you’re responsible, it can make a night more fun, but that’s not really societal. There’s a tonne of societal harm though. The temperance movement in the early 1900’s basically had it right, alcohol causes all kinds of behavioural and social issues, fighting, addiction, spousal abuse, and that’s not even including drunk driving or the wave of health problems, most notably obesity and liver issues, caused by alcohol. The prohibition movement was basically given up upon because people still wanted alcohol and could get it and it was a massive quixotic adventure that ended in complete failure. Doesn’t mean alcohol is good though, and I say that as someone that definitely likes to drink.

Guns, on the other hand, are a tool with a lot of utility, especially for rural people. They’re a method of feeding your family, in addition to protecting your livestock from varmints as well as protecting your family because any police response is basically non existent. There’s no real reason for urban people to own one which is why I don’t but this abject failure to understand the perfectly rational and reasonable reasons someone who doesn’t live like urbanites would want and NEED a gun continue to baffle me. Not you specifically I think but just in general, the statement “there’s no need for people to own guns” is asinine.

[BlindMilwaukee]

Originally Posted by Azure

Again, if you want to make a list of things that have no societal benefits, and ban them.....such as guns (apparently), then I will extend that list to alcohol.

Because at the end of the day, alcohol has killed more people, ruined more families and caused more societal harm than non-restricted firearms EVER will.

I imagine the argument is mass murder (guns) vs self inflicted medical issues (alcohol/substance abuse)

Which is more immediate?

[jammies]

I am very much anti-gun, but there are legitimate uses for them and the idea that there should be bans on any model of single-shot long gun is asinine. These are not useful for criminal activity, focus on the guns that are.

[BlindMilwaukee]

^ Totally agree

[#-3]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Are there any societal benefits to alcohol?

You literally replied to a post with a paragraph stating that the prevention of prohibition fueled black markets is a social benefit of legalizing / regulating drugs (including alcohol).

I also think there are some mental health / social benefits to recreational substance use when done properly. talking about the most negative effects for 10% of the population is excludes the 60% of the population that realizes these benefits without experiencing the problems you are talking about.

It's a big old "yeah but!" from gun advocates, who do not want to talk about places where gun restrictions have been successful.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by #-3

It's a big old "yeah but!" from gun advocates, who do not want to talk about places where gun restrictions have been successful.

There's been plenty of good discussion on guns in the gun thread, don't bother listening to the people that just want to deflect

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

Dude, you can literally go into every thread I participate in and find PepsiFree waiting till someone replies to one of my posts and he'll make some kind of witty, stupid & smug comment.

Of course, I long ago quit reading what he had to say, so these days every reply to my posts is then followed with a reply from him that I have on ignore.

Its hilarious.

You don’t read what I have to say because you have me on ignore but magically knew I posted about you despite nobody quoting my post?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You don’t read what I have to say because you have me on ignore but magically knew I posted about you despite nobody quoting my post?

And I love how in his mind, you were just lying in wait to reply to him

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by btimbit

And I love how in his mind, you were just lying in wait to reply to him

I don’t know if it’s a weird gaslighting attempt or he’s genuinely that unhinged, but it’s pretty entertaining.

“Long ago” must mean like two weeks ago for that ignore list, since he posted this two days after I made a post that had didn’t mention him or have anything to do with him:

Originally Posted by Azure

I actually thought it was a great discussion in the light of the federal inquiry and how government officials have testified, but then you and PepsiFree came along and spouted your standard trash, and here we are.

And this post which was the same (didn’t come after a mention of him, convo didn’t involve him), but wasn’t even quoted, so he obviously “magically” saw it.

Originally Posted by Azure

She is not the only one saying it, so not sure what PepsiFree is whining about, again.

His “obsession” talk seems like some real desperate projection to me as he comes off as kind of a loser. Too bad he’ll never see this lol

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by btimbit

And I love how in his mind, you were just lying in wait to reply to him

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t know if it’s a weird gaslighting attempt or he’s genuinely that unhinged, but it’s pretty entertaining.

“Long ago” must mean like two weeks ago for that ignore list, since he posted this two days after I made a post that had didn’t mention him or have anything to do with him:



And this post which was the same (didn’t come after a mention of him, convo didn’t involve him), but wasn’t even quoted, so he obviously “magically” saw it.



His “obsession” talk seems like some real desperate projection to me as he comes off as kind of a loser. Too bad he’ll never see this lol

Get over it, you’re not that special.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I see posts like this all the time and I don't get it. Do people really think other posters are following them around? CP isn't very big, I think it's just more likely that you happen to read the same threads.

I have been one of them that has experienced it, along with Azure. It started immediately after disagreeing with Pepsi on a subject he was passionate about.

I think it was one of Cliff Fletcher's posts that made me aware of this behavior, and it was shortly after that it began happening to me.

The thing that keeps him going is a group of posters cheering him on.

I actually feel sorry for him, as I think the way he badgers some posters quite likely happened to him in his youth. Just a guess.

[btimbit]

No idea what you guys are seeing but I've had plenty of disagreements with Pepsi over the years, pretty sure I even cussed him out one time, and he's never 'followed me around.' We just happen to be posting in the same threads

You just don't like his posting style, and that's fine, but trying to make it seem like it's about you is just odd

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I have been one of them that has experienced it, along with Azure. It started immediately after disagreeing with Pepsi on a subject he was passionate about.

I think it was Cliff Fletcher that made me aware of this behavior, and it was shortly after that it began happening to me.

The thing that keeps him going is a group of posters cheering him on.

I actually feel sorry for him, as I think the way he badgers some posters quite likely happened to him in his youth. Just a guess.

No offence, but if you paid me $1000 I still could not recall even one post you’ve had or differentiate you from doctorfever.

I’m absolutely fine if people don’t like the way I post, but between Azure making up lies anbout obsession while he name drops me randomly every week and you chatting to other posters about me? I dunno, seems like you guys need to sort this issue out on your end. I promise I’ve never talked to other posters about you lol.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by btimbit

And I love how in his mind, you were just lying in wait to reply to him

When in reality Pepsi was lying in wait to reply to anyone in any thread! Heyooo Canadian politics…

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

When in reality Pepsi was lying in wait to reply to anyone in any thread! Heyooo Canadian politics…

Sad but true. People need heroes, glad you found one.