2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[joejoe3]

Came in here for Trade Speculation and Rumours.

These are not the Trade Speculation and Rumours I was looking for...

[Kipper_3434]

Lots of talk here about the gm's job. How about replacing the 2 best puck moving defencemen this team lost for nothing in back to back seasons?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Lots of talk here about the gm's job. How about replacing the 2 best puck moving defencemen this team lost for nothing in back to back seasons?

The summer of 2020 cap space for Brodie, Talbot, and Hamonic was used on Markstrom, Tanev and a minimum salary player (for this let’s say Nesterov).

We can’t say he lost Brodie for nothing and not also say he acquired one of the very best shutdown guys in the league for free. Considering Tanev ended the season in Brodie’s regular spot I think that was a wash at worst at least in year 1

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Lots of talk here about the gm's job. How about replacing the 2 best puck moving defencemen this team lost for nothing in back to back seasons?

Yeah, it’s hard to come back from something like that. Our defence now just isn’t very mobile nor are they a strong play driving group.

Just unfortunate how the team, which was already top-end talent starved, has had its skill base erode in the last few years. Losing Brodie and now Gio? That’s just not something you really march forward from without falling on your face.

I don’t agree that Tanev “replaced” Brodie, or that it’s a wash. They’re different types of d-men. I’d say Tanev brought in what Hamonic was supposed to originally. I think Tanev being signed would have improved upon Hamonic and made the team better…instead we also lost Brodie, and Andersson is a far ways off from being as good as Brodie.

It really hammers home just how much toxic contracts can throw things off. Had we never signed Neal, we wouldn't have a 4th liner making $5.25M - which then would have allowed us to retain Brodie and sign Tanev - and then who knows who gets selected in expansion, but assuming they still took Gio, how much better does this look:

Hanifin - Brodie
Valimaki - Tanev
Zadarov - Andersson

Vs.

Hanifin - Tanev
Zadarov - Andersson
Valimaki - Gudbranson

(hard to talk about what ifs, as one move impacts the next - but still...toxic contracts are killer)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Lots of talk here about the gm's job. How about replacing the 2 best puck moving defencemen this team lost for nothing in back to back seasons?

Tanev is better than Brodie

Gio well, he is no spring chicken. Hopefully some other guys can step up.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tanev is better than Brodie

Gio well, he is no spring chicken. Hopefully some other guys can step up.

Tanev is better than Hamonic.

Tanev better than Brodie? I don't think I agree, I'd argue they're comparable from an impact perspective but deliver different styles of play. For a team as offensively starved and desperately in need of a puck moving defenceman? Brodie would be great to have.

Tanev also seemingly had his best NHL season in year 1 of his UFA deal and it was a massive, massive turn of events for him based on the years leading up to that free agent deal. Just assuming Tanev is going to be as good as he was last year and as healthy as he was last year is a risk.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, it’s hard to come back from something like that. Our defence now just isn’t very mobile nor are they a strong play driving group.

Just unfortunate how the team, which was already top-end talent starved, has had its skill base erode in the last few years. Losing Brodie and now Gio? That’s just not something you really march forward from without falling on your face.

I don’t agree that Tanev “replaced” Brodie, or that it’s a wash. They’re different types of d-men. I’d say Tanev brought in what Hamonic was supposed to originally. I think Tanev being signed would have improved upon Hamonic and made the team better…instead we also lost Brodie, and Andersson is a far ways off from being as good as Brodie.

Andersson was supposed to replace Brodie. Tanev was supposed to replace Hamonic and Valimaki was supposed to replace Andersson

Rasmus struggled and Tanev thrived. By the end of the year Tanev was playing where Brodie played in the previous years. He emerged as the number 2 Dman last year so different styles or not that is where he slots.

In order to absorb the Andersson raise, pay big bucks for Markstrom, they could only pay 1 Dman. I don’t hate that it is Tanev over Brodie

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, it’s hard to come back from something like that. Our defence now just isn’t very mobile nor are they a strong play driving group.

Just unfortunate how the team, which was already top-end talent starved, has had its skill base erode in the last few years. Losing Brodie and now Gio? That’s just not something you really march forward from without falling on your face.

I don’t agree that Tanev “replaced” Brodie, or that it’s a wash. They’re different types of d-men. I’d say Tanev brought in what Hamonic was supposed to originally. I think Tanev being signed would have improved upon Hamonic and made the team better…instead we also lost Brodie, and Andersson is a far ways off from being as good as Brodie.

If anything, this year Hanifin is the Gio replacement for puck moving, and maybe Andersson for goal scoring from the D. I agree - Tanev at the time replaced what Hamonic was supposed to be, and he did it very well. He and Hanifin were essentially what Brodie-Hamonic should have been.

At the end of the day, replacing specific players is a fool's game. You just ice the best squad you can, and try to match the coach's style in doing so. This year will depend a lot on whether Andersson can up his game (and I think he can) and whether Zadorov fits in well.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by joejoe3

Came in here for Trade Speculation and Rumours.

These are not the Trade Speculation and Rumours I was looking for...

There’s a rumour Jack Eichel wants to be traded and the Sabres are willing and talking to multiple teams.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The summer of 2020 cap space for Brodie, Talbot, and Hamonic was used on Markstrom, Tanev and a minimum salary player (for this let’s say Nesterov).

We can’t say he lost Brodie for nothing and not also say he acquired one of the very best shutdown guys in the league for free. Considering Tanev ended the season in Brodie’s regular spot I think that was a wash at worst at least in year 1

Sure we can. Thats exactly what he did. This team has moved or lost 4 top pairing puckmoving defencemen since treliving got here. Its an issue that needs to be addressed.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Sure we can. Thats exactly what he did. This team has moved or lost 4 top pairing puckmoving defencemen since treliving got here. Its an issue that needs to be addressed.

So re-sign Brodie for more money and pay a 1st and 3rd to keep Gio?

Andersson is supposed to be that guy, Hanifin is supposed to be that guy.

If we had the same blueline right now with Brodie instead of Tanev I think it looks worse on paper. Stone/Gudbransen become your second best right shot D

[bax]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Sure we can. Thats exactly what he did. This team has moved or lost 4 top pairing puckmoving defencemen since treliving got here. Its an issue that needs to be addressed.

I know we lost Gio and Brodie to expansion and free agency, but who are the other top pairing defenseman we have lost?

Hamilton? Treliving brought him in, but also replaced him with Hanifin.

Who is the 4th?

We actually have a quite a few capable puck movers. Andersson, Hanifin, Valimaki, and Kylington all have that capability. One of them needs to take a step though- Hanifin seems most likely to me.

People forget he is only 24 years old. He put up 23 points in 37 games as a 17 year old in the NCAA.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Tanev is better than Hamonic.

Tanev better than Brodie? I don't think I agree, I'd argue they're comparable from an impact perspective but deliver different styles of play. For a team as offensively starved and desperately in need of a puck moving defenceman? Brodie would be great to have.

Tanev also seemingly had his best NHL season in year 1 of his UFA deal and it was a massive, massive turn of events for him based on the years leading up to that free agent deal. Just assuming Tanev is going to be as good as he was last year and as healthy as he was last year is a risk.

Brodie had one goal last year playing for a high scoring team

Tanev had two and is 10x better defensively. I would trade Brodie for Tanev any day.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Right. Okay. Yes, some things are obvious other than the fact that the GM is responsible for the team.

I certainly don’t disagree that Monahan was injured and had surgery. That would be absurd

We also agree that other GMs could likely value core pieces differently because of their down years. I agree with him not losing trades on assets devalued under his watch

I do not however give him a pass at all for assets being devalued under his watch

That’s one of the main problems

I mean if he accidentally handcuffed his wrists together and then couldn’t put on a good puppet show, I wouldn’t think he should get a pass for a poor puppet show

I don't feel I've ever given him a pass.

I'm just saying I didn't see the failure of the core coming, so I have a tough time blaming him for not seeing it.

But honestly ... enough of the extremes. Monahan getting hurt and a global pandemic are not accidentally handcuffing yourself.

[GioforPM]

I've never been clear on the definition of "puck moving defenceman". Tanev moves the puck out of his own end very efficiently. He's got a good first pass. Obviously he's not going to skate it very much. But as for that, Hanifin is probably a better skater than Brodie, even in the latter's prime.

But on this team, with Sutter, I think a guy like Brodie would not be in as good a position as any of Hanifin, Gio, Tanev or even Andersson or Zadorov.

[Bingo]

I too am gravely worried about the defense group's ability to get pucks up to forwards.

On paper it was a concern, and nothing we've seen in the first two preseason games is making that any better.

We haven't seen Hanifin nor Tanev. We've only seen Andersson once, same as Zadorov and Stone, Gudbranson (shudder), but Valimaki isn't off to a ground breaking start.

Could be the anvil this season.

Hopefully it turns around in the preseason and into the regular season.

[Vinny01]

When this team looked to be on the cusp of contention in 18/19 they obviously were being lead by Gio and Brodie along with Hamonic and Hanifin and 3 years later only Hanifin remains. During that season though we saw Andersson, Valimaki and Kylington all get looks and the future of the blueline was those 3 guys and Hanifin. We are living a scenario where 3 of those guys are top 5 Dmen on this team. The defense looks as weak on paper as it potentially ever has in the cap era but there are 3 guys who could take big steps and the result would be a much better defense than we think.

This has been a team that has always had a better D on paper than actual results. Hopefully this year it is the opposite.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by bax

I know we lost Gio and Brodie to expansion and free agency, but who are the other top pairing defenseman we have lost?

Hamilton? Treliving brought him in, but also replaced him with Hanifin.

Who is the 4th?

We actually have a quite a few capable puck movers. Andersson, Hanifin, Valimaki, and Kylington all have that capability. One of them needs to take a step though- Hanifin seems most likely to me.

People forget he is only 24 years old. He put up 23 points in 37 games as a 17 year old in the NCAA.

I believe it is Fox. Yes he would've left for nothing, but he still left. Also, Hanifin is still a considerable downgrade on Hamilton. We hope he can cement his role as a top pairing defenseman, but he is still a number 3 in my mind.

PS: I replied to clarify, not because i disagree with you.

[bax]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I believe it is Fox. Yes he would've left for nothing, but he still left. Also, Hanifin is still a considerable downgrade on Hamilton. We hope he can cement his role as a top pairing defenseman, but he is still a number 3 in my mind.

PS: I replied to clarify, not because i disagree with you.

Thanks! Totally forgot about Fox. I do my best to forget about him.

I don’t think anyone can be blamed in that situation though. He was always only going to play in New York. At least he was up front about it with management and we were able to get some value there.

[dino7c]

Flames have Lindholm and Hanifin

Carolina has........

Flames did well in this example, Carolina is the team that lost players for nothing