[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They also do not need to extend a guy who will be 30 and another who will be 29 for $17-$18M per. They have a 24 year old who put up some huge numbers and plays a high end pest game.

If they don’t sign Huberdeau and Weegar they lose them for nothing. Cap management dictates you can only have so many players at big money and they have their 27 year old top center, 26 year old top D and 24 year old top winger. If they didn’t have Bob they would have more flexibility but also will be a desirable destination moving forward for free agents.

While I am extremely pleased with the Flames summer their window is likely shorter by replacing a 24 and 29 year old with a 29 and 32 year old pairing. The flames are looking to lock up Weegar for his 30’s as well. Not the best spot to be in but a spot that makes sense right now with the makeup of this team. Florida is full of players in their 20’s. From Lundell to Tkachuk to Bennett to Reinhart to Barkov to Ekblad to Knight.

In a year if the Flames could trade Lindholm and Hanifin, average prospect and conditional 1st for an elite 23/24 year old center who signs for 8 years that would be something to get excited about rather than paying Lindholm and Hanifin huge money for their age 29/27-37/35 aged seasons.

Barkov is 27 Ekblad will turn 27 this season
Weegar is 28 and Huberdeau is 29

Its not like their ages were far off...they just won the presidents trophy and traded a ton of picks...when exactly are they building for?

[djsFlames]

Ah, people fell into the trap of thinking Barkov and co were still 21 eh.

And Sam Bennett 18.

Contrary to popular belief, people still age in Florida.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Ah, people fell into the trap of thinking Barkov and co were still 21 eh.

And Sam Bennett 18.

Contrary to popular belief, people still age in Florida.

To be fair anyone under 60 is young in Florida

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Ah, people fell into the trap of thinking Barkov and co were still 21 eh.

And Sam Bennett 18.

Contrary to popular belief, people still age in Florida.

based on the evidence at hand, they age faster

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Contrary to popular belief, people still age in Florida.

That's what embalming fluid is for.

I can't help it if some silly people have a phobia about getting embalmed while they're still alive.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Barkov is 27 Ekblad will turn 27 this season
Weegar is 28 and Huberdeau is 29

Its not like their ages were far off...they just won the presidents trophy and traded a ton of picks...when exactly are they building for?

Barkov just turned 27, Huberdeau will be 30 when his deal starts. Weegar turns 29 before Ekblad turns 27.

They chose not to pay 2 guys who will be 30 or turning 30 when their extensions start and flipped them for a 24 year old who was the youngest player in the top 20 scorers in the league this year. They made their core younger by signing a 24 year old instead of extending a guy who will be 30 when he needs a new contract. It makes sense to me when you can only afford to pay 2-3 guys 10M to try and lock guys in for their prime years instead of paying them throughout their 30’s.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Barkov just turned 27, Huberdeau will be 30 when his deal starts. Weegar turns 29 before Ekblad turns 27.

They chose not to pay 2 guys who will be 30 or turning 30 when their extensions start and flipped them for a 24 year old who was the youngest player in the top 20 scorers in the league this year. They made their core younger by signing a 24 year old instead of extending a guy who will be 30 when he needs a new contract. It makes sense to me when you can only afford to pay 2-3 guys 10M to try and lock guys in for their prime years instead of paying them throughout their 30’s.

I get what you are saying but their two best players are still in their late 20s they should be going for it not taking a step back which I think they have. They might be better off in four years than they would have been but I doubt they will get back to that high level. You can't blowup your team because of a bad 2nd round after dominating the league over 82

Ask Tampa, ask the Avs ect.

If Florida goes to a final or wins a cup in the next few years it's worth it, I just don't see how they improve enough. I also think Tkachuk is over rated big time though. If he is a 90+ point guy every season then maybe it makes more sense but he has scored over 61 points twice. Over 77 one time.

We are gonna have to agree to disagree though all points have been made I think

[Vinny01]

My final point is Florida is not a team that has been knocking on the door for 5+ years like the Avs or Tampa they have only made the playoffs 2 years in a row. They made a move to get younger to hopefully have the longer term opportunity and it is debatable how much worse they will be next year or if the Flames will be any better. At the end of the day I do love the deal for both teams but I think highly of Tkachuk

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I get what you are saying but their two best players are still in their late 20s they should be going for it not taking a step back which I think they have. They might be better off in four years than they would have been but I doubt they will get back to that high level. You can't blowup your team because of a bad 2nd round after dominating the league over 82

Ask Tampa, ask the Avs ect.

If Florida goes to a final or wins a cup in the next few years it's worth it, I just don't see how they improve enough. I also think Tkachuk is over rated big time though. If he is a 90+ point guy every season then maybe it makes more sense but he has scored over 61 points twice. Over 77 one time.

We are gonna have to agree to disagree though all points have been made I think

Given his skating, I’m also not convinced Tkachuk will be all that great as the end of his deal approaches.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Barkov just turned 27, Huberdeau will be 30 when his deal starts. Weegar turns 29 before Ekblad turns 27.

They chose not to pay 2 guys who will be 30 or turning 30 when their extensions start and flipped them for a 24 year old who was the youngest player in the top 20 scorers in the league this year. They made their core younger by signing a 24 year old instead of extending a guy who will be 30 when he needs a new contract. It makes sense to me when you can only afford to pay 2-3 guys 10M to try and lock guys in for their prime years instead of paying them throughout their 30’s.

It makes sense to keep them and let them go next summer and acquire Tkachuk for futures and have a super stacked team for one year given how much they spent to open this window.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It makes sense to keep them and let them go next summer and acquire Tkachuk for futures and have a super stacked team for one year given how much they spent to open this window.

An agreement was struck with Tkachuk and the Flames. The Flames were going to trade Tkachuk to a team on his list and Tkachuk was going to sign long term with that team. If the Panthers don't make the trade he's a long term St. Louis Blue, Dallas Start or whatever today. This was their one and only chance to acquire the player. I think we all know Treliving was looking for more than futures as the Flames do not want to rebuild. Huberdeau at the very least would have had to go the other way for the Flames to accept a deal with them.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

An agreement was struck with Tkachuk and the Flames. The Flames were going to trade Tkachuk to a team on his list and Tkachuk was going to sign long term with that team. If the Panthers don't make the trade he's a long term St. Louis Blue, Dallas Start or whatever today. This was their one and only chance to acquire the player. I think we all know Treliving was looking for more than futures as the Flames do not want to rebuild. Huberdeau at the very least would have had to go the other way for the Flames to accept a deal with them.

You're just giving me a recent history lesson.

I'm saying if your window of contention was opened by trading three 1sts already you're probably better off not moving out two upper roster players for one when they could have been your this season rentals.

But yeah instead of Weegar maybe a top prospect gets it done.

We don't know, but it makes little sense to move your team backwards in the window you've already kicked open in order to get younger at a time when this window will already be closed.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I get what you are saying but their two best players are still in their late 20s they should be going for it not taking a step back which I think they have.

The panthers could not afford to sign both Huberdeau and Weegar.

So, going for it really meant ensuring one would walk after this year.

They decided to extent their window longer.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The panthers could not afford to sign both Huberdeau and Weegar.

So, going for it really meant ensuring one would walk after this year.

They decided to extent their window longer.

Sam Bennett really did help the Flames after all! LOL

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

My final point is Florida is not a team that has been knocking on the door for 5+ years like the Avs or Tampa they have only made the playoffs 2 years in a row. They made a move to get younger to hopefully have the longer term opportunity and it is debatable how much worse they will be next year or if the Flames will be any better. At the end of the day I do love the deal for both teams but I think highly of Tkachuk

"Made the playoffs 2 years in a row" is under selling how good they have been. They had 79 points in 56 games and then 122 this past season. Franchise record season and they traded their leading scorer by 27 points and their #2 dman.

Flames being better than last year is irrelevant...they lost their top scorer before this even happened . Flames are for sure better for this season than they were the morning of the trade.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You're just giving me a recent history lesson.

I'm saying if your window of contention was opened by trading three 1sts already you're probably better off not moving out two upper roster players for one when they could have been your this season rentals.

But yeah instead of Weegar maybe a top prospect gets it done.

We don't know, but it makes little sense to move your team backwards in the window you've already kicked open in order to get younger at a time when this window will already be closed.

That's right and you can't say their window will be closed after this season. We aren't talking about the Bruins or Capitals here.

[Kasi]

They’re like Calgary pretty much in that their window is the next 2-4 years. But in a way even more dire because they’ve given up so many number one picks. They due to their G and all their trades don’t really have any reinforcements coming. I just don’t see them not taking a step down this year. I agree they needed to keep Weegar but they didn’t and now I just don’t see them as a credible threat in the east anymore compared to TB, Car and NYR.

Edit: they sure could win it all or something but that is just a lot harder coming out of say the four - six seed instead of winning their division.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's right and you can't say their window will be closed after this season. We aren't talking about the Bruins or Capitals here.

When did I say that?

I'm saying they've gone all in for three seasons, why move out two upper roster players for one when they could have been your in house rentals FOR THIS SEASON.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

When did I say that?

I'm saying they've gone all in for three seasons, why move out two upper roster players for one when they could have been your in house rentals FOR THIS SEASON.

Because they didn't want to have in-house rentals for 1 year. They decided on 8 years of Tkachuk.

I think this is one trade that both teams got what they wanted.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Because they didn't want to have in-house rentals for 1 year. They decided on 8 years of Tkachuk.

I think this is one trade that both teams got what they wanted.

Sigh ... your just telling me they did the trade because they wanted to. Not debating that.

I'm debating the logic that landed on choosing that path.

You trade three straight years of first round picks to grab a window, and then move your own two a year before you have to?

That's my question. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Little doubt that Tkachuk will have a better shelf life when this window is closed, but this up coming season, right smack dab in the middle of their window, was better served not making this trade. And even better served by adding Tkachuk, keeping their own rentals and trading futures instead.