Well, the Democrats technically had nothing to do with the appointment of the Speical Counsel, which was the decision of the Justice Department. The Special Counsel investigation does not mean either the House or Senate investigations will stop either.
Also, while it is true that Mueller will be looking into the question of illegalities and nothing he turns up necessarily will be turned over to the public, Congressional investigations love handing out immunity in exchange for testimony (something Justice investigators hate). If there were underlings who performed substantially illegal acts it is entirely possible they will choose to talk publicly to Congress instead of face charges.
Also, most legal scholars in the US broadly agree that the President has a kind of immunity from the regular legal system. Meaning if Trump did go shoot someone on 5th Avenue, Cyrus Vance - the DA for New York - would be unable to charge him; rather it would be through the Impeachment process that Trump would face justice. Since this is the case, were the Mueller investigation to find that Trump himself was guilty of illegal acts, they would - presumably - turn all their findings over to the House who would then be responsible for 'charging' the President with a crime.
Additionally, I think the Republicans are going to find it hard to get too much work done when every day at 5 some new barrel of flaming monkeys tumbles down the hill from the White House and occupies the next 24 hours of the news cycle. They have months of work to do on Health Care - which they need to do in order to have the room to maneuver on Taxes, which is their next priority and will also take months and who knows what else will come down the pipe in the meantime. Not to mention the Democrats can - at pretty much any time - paralyze the Senate.
Both the House and Senate are in Session at the same time for 83 more days in 2017. By April of 2018 - another roughly 40 days of joint-Session time 2018 Primaries will be in full swing and most members of Congress will be otherwise occupied.
Can the Democrats and Trump combine to plug up the wheels of government for 120 working days over the next year? I - for once - have almost endless confidence in Donald Trump.
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Also, most legal scholars in the US broadly agree that the President has a kind of immunity from the regular legal system. Meaning if Trump did go shoot someone on 5th Avenue, Cyrus Vance - the DA for New York - would be unable to charge him; rather it would be through the Impeachment process that Trump would face justice.
No, that is not correct.
The President is immune in regards to actions undertaken in the course of carrying out the Presidential functions.
The President is not immune in regards to actions that are not Presidential functions.
Thus, if Trump were to jump out of his motorcade, grab a pistol from a Secret Service agent, and mortally shoot protesters standing on the corner, Trump would most certainly face murder charges.
The President is immune in regards to actions undertaken in the course of carrying out the Presidential functions.
The President is not immune in regards to actions that are not Presidential functions.
Thus, if Trump were to jump out of his motorcade, grab a pistol from a Secret Service agent, and mortally shoot protesters standing on the corner, Trump would most certainly face murder charges.
This is true in relation to civil lawsuits but has never actually been tested when it comes to a criminal action. At the very least there would be a Supreme Court case on the question of who would charge and then try a sitting President for a crime before any charges or trial went forth.
... a sitting President is constitutionally immune from ordinary criminal prosecution - state or federal - but is of course subject to ordinary prosecution the instant he leaves office ... The position put forth ... has a very distinguished, and bipartisan, pedigree ... two Federalist Papers, Numbers 69 and 77 ... It is the position clearly taken by both Thomas Jefferson and John Adams ... Olliver Ellsworth, Chief Justice, author of 1789 Judiciary Act ... It is the position articulated in the Supreme Court as early as 1867 ... and the traditional position of the Justice Department.
And to think...Romney wasn't liked by many Republicans because he is Mormon.
That was part of it but the biggest part was that the part of the GOP that is seemingly in control right now didn't like he was a Center republican. Darn near a democrat at times when he was governor.
Anyways you have to hand it Trump...he potentially found an ingenious way to drain the swamp.
Trump melting down playing the victim card, calling this the "Single greatest witch hunt in American political history" and "No politician has ever been treated worse"
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President Trump on Thursday decried the naming of a special counsel to probe his campaign’s alleged ties to Russia's election meddling as the “single greatest witch hunt” in American political history.
“This is the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!” Trump tweeted.
He added that there was never such a probe into what he called “illegal acts” committed during Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and former President Barack Obama’s administration.
“With all of the illegal acts that took place in the Clinton campaign & Obama Administration, there was never a special councel [sic] appointed!”
I love how Trump does the same thing many of his supporters do...Can't defend it so Hillary! Obama!.
First let's pretend it's not straight up slander and say sure they did illegal things. That doesn't mean you should, therefore, also be given a reprieve from investigation. I know it's odd and all being a rich white guy but hey sometimes you annoy enough people that even that no longer matters.
I love how Trump does the same thing many of his supporters do...Can't defend it so Hillary! Obama!.
First let's pretend it's not straight up slander and say sure they did illegal things. That doesn't mean you should, therefore, also be given a reprieve from investigation. I know it's odd and all being a rich white guy but hey sometimes you annoy enough people that even that no longer matters.
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His problem isn't that he is a rich white guy, it is that he is a 14 year old, emotionally. Well, he has a lot of problems, to be fair. But being white isn't one of them.
His problem isn't that he is a rich white guy, it is that he is a 14 year old, emotionally. Well, he has a lot of problems, to be fair. But being white isn't one of them.
My comment was not on him being the cause of problems because he's a 5 year old in a 70 year old mans body that is the cause of all his problems. It was a comment that rich white guys like Trump feel like and often are immune from the law.
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I love how Trump does the same thing many of his supporters do...Can't defend it so Hillary! Obama!.
First let's pretend it's not straight up slander and say sure they did illegal things. That doesn't mean you should, therefore, also be given a reprieve from investigation. I know it's odd and all being a rich white guy but hey sometimes you annoy enough people that even that no longer matters.
And there would be no special prosecutor if he didn't fire the first guy doing the investigation. And it was the same guy investigating Hillary / Obama.
Worth remembering, here are the exact words that Nixon said that got Congressional Republicans to flip their votes towards impeachment.
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Nixon: When you get in these people when you…get [the CIA] in, say: “Look, the problem is that this will open the whole, the whole Bay of Pigs thing, and the President just feels that” ah, without going into the details… don’t, don’t lie to them to the extent to say there is no involvement, but just say this is sort of a comedy of errors, bizarre, without getting into it, “the President believes that it is going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again. And, ah because these people are plugging for, for keeps and that [the CIA] should call the FBI in and say that we wish for the country, don’t go any further into this case”, period!
