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moon · 04-10-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

So, you get the 1st overall pick, and then you squeak into 9th the following year? What's wrong with that? You draft to get INTO the playoffs; not to hover outside of them.

I am not sure what you are saying here.

You draft to win the Stanley Cup not finish slightly better than the worst teams in the league.

Zevo · 04-10-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Moon, what is Hartley supposed to do?

Walk in the room and say "OK guys, let's suck today. No one skate, no one back check, and Karri, let in every third shot."

I want Bennett or Ekblad as bad as everyone else, but I don't know how a team can just tank.

Unfortunately you have to be in the right situation to purposely tank. The Avs did it perfectly last year by not dumping a bad coach, even though everyone knew they should.

ForeverFlameFan · 04-10-2014, 02:41 PM

I thinking about how I can make it more fair... If you've had a top 5 pick 3 times for three years straight, you will be moved to the 14th draft position (the last non-playoff draft position).

If there are two teams that have had a top 5 pick 3 times in three straight years, then the team with the least points between the two get slotted in the 13th draft spot.

The other non-playoff teams get to move up a draft position or two, depending on the cirumstances.

Feel free to tell me what could go wrong with this.

the_only_turek_fan · 04-10-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

What are you talking about?

What does Hartley have to do with any of this?

Well you are advocating the team should tank.

Should Bob Hartley direct the team to play poorly?

Muta · 04-10-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

I am not sure what you are saying here.

You draft to win the Stanley Cup not finish slightly better than the worst teams in the league.

What's the first step to getting to the Cup each year? Can't wait to hear your answer, because it's pretty simple.

moon · 04-10-2014, 02:44 PM

Those teams that you are moving to 14th are going to suck for a long time and owners don't want teams that suck for long periods of time because it kills markets and creates huge headaches.

I think a lot of this is because the oilers are the team people see drafting bad, if the Flames are bottom 5 the next 2 years after this you think you are going to be happy to try and fix that by getting guys that are almost assuredly going to be non difference makers at the NHL level?

Imported_Aussie · 04-10-2014, 02:45 PM

At least tanking in the NHL is not as bad as it is in the NBA. The way those teams gut their roster and mail it in is atrocious.

The point of the draft is to allocate talent to move the league towards parity - poor teams get first crack at best talents. It is then up to that team's management/coaching/players to improve and make playoffs/contend for the cup.
If the aim of the draft is talent allocation to weaker teams, then the system cannot change too much, but what needs to be dealt with is tanking. It is a grey area, and hard to enforce, as you do not want to take away the ability of declining teams to get value for their remaining quality assets (since this dilutes the talent pool in the playoffs), but at the same time, you want teams to play for a win every time.

Personally, if the penalty for winning late in the season is a lesser chance of #1 overall, and perhaps a slightly lower ranked prospect, but the team maintains a culture of competitiveness and desire to win, which would be needed to return to contention, I would take winning over tanking. Find a clear way to identify teams intending to tank and appropriate penalties - it is much harder than it sounds.

moon · 04-10-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Well you are advocating the team should tank.

Should Bob Hartley direct the team to play poorly?

Not sure where I was doing that but that said I think the only way to "tank" is at a GM or above level.

I guess a coach can play his crappy players more or keep guys out of the line-up but unlikely they do that since that will kill their career.

nik- · 04-10-2014, 02:47 PM

I don't blame NBA tanking at all. 1/5th of your on floor presence for 40+ minutes a night is a huge swing if it's a star. In the NHL a single player isn't as valuable.

Muta · 04-10-2014, 02:49 PM

moon - you going to answer my question in post #3451 or what? I'm waiting for your answer.

snipetype · 04-10-2014, 02:52 PM

We will get a big skilled defencemen(fleury), or a big scoring winger (dal colle, Richie, or Perlini) no matter where we pick. Either way I'm happy really. I don't see as huge of a difference between dal colle and the others.

codynw · 04-10-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by snipetype

We will get a big skilled defencemen(fleury), or a big scoring winger (dal colle, Richie, or Perlini) no matter where we pick. Either way I'm happy really. I don't see as huge of a difference between dal colle and the others.

Not you again.

Muta · 04-10-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by snipetype

We will get a big skilled defencemen(fleury), or a big scoring winger (dal colle, Richie, or Perlini) no matter where we pick. Either way I'm happy really. I don't see as huge of a difference between dal colle and the others.

Hmmm. What makes you think we'll get Fleury?

Sorry CP, it was too tempting...

moon · 04-10-2014, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

What's the first step to getting to the Cup each year? Can't wait to hear your answer, because it's pretty simple.

Building a quality roster.

Muta · 04-10-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Building a quality roster.

Close, but not quite there. What happens after the regular season?

nik- · 04-10-2014, 03:00 PM

Muta, you're being a bit silly here.

Muta · 04-10-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

Muta, you're being a bit silly here.

I dunno, the answer is pretty obvious.

moon · 04-10-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Close, but not quite there. What happens after the regular season?

Play-offs, free agency, the draft, trades, golfing.

Not sure why that isn't the first step. You don't get to the cup with a bad roster.

Muta · 04-10-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Play-offs

Solid. Thank you.

nik- · 04-10-2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

I dunno, the answer is pretty obvious.

It is. Obviously you need to make the playoffs to win the cup, but it's also likely that just making it in as the 8th seed is a road to the last eight Flames seasons.

You may think you're a contender, but you're not.